if vaccines are say 70% effective at preventing infection then you would have only 3 chances in 10 or about 30% the chance of being infected than a vaccinated person does. — Janus
In the moment one looks the other direction and simply doesn't feel anything. Needle tech has come a long way in 20yrs. There isn't even a pinching sensation anymore; one would have to be trying to feel it. — Cheshire
I can see how that applies to philosophy, but do you think it applies to science? I mean would there not be "one true answer" to the question:'does vaccination reduce viral transmission?' even if we might not presently know just what that answer is? — Janus
Apparently you lack experience with real rednecks. For one thing, they generally don't even think in binary terms. Not "black and white," but black or white, and usually white. But invective is usually a red herring, a diversion. The science on vaccines and masks is 2+2=4. And the issues are not private and individual, but communal.You think in black and white terms, all or nothing. No nuance, no detail, nothing. Like a total redneck. This is what puts many people off. — baker
Vaccines and masks have a proven track record. There is no excuse whatsoever for not using them appropriately. for oneself, for one's family, for one's community. Any argument against? — tim wood
Fools do not possess free will. They are the subjects of their foolishness. Discussion of their "freedom" is immediate absurdity.We are at the mercy of the free will of fools. Act accordingly. — Cheshire
So, since a person has options as to how they might meet their moral obligations other than by vaccination, I don't see any moral imperative to get vaccinated. I do see a moral imperative to do something to absolve both those duties, but it's not yet demonstrated that that something has to be vaccination. — Isaac
When the "other people" are the millions of individuals that have to change their way of life, or when the state is walking the thin and slippery line of infringing upon citizens' right to bodily autonomy by attempting to pressure them into vaccination on the basis of incomplete information, I'm not sure if Fauci believes we should care about that. — Tzeentch
I understand you believe the sacrifices others must make are benign. Others disagree. But I'm getting the impression you are already past the point of considering the subjectiveness of your own position. — Tzeentch
As has been a theme here, it's a very good public policy bet that mass vaccination will reduce transmission. This doesn't translate into a moral claim that one ought to get vaccinated because an individual has other options which (as current evidence stands) are equally efficacious given known factors of their personal circumstances. — Isaac
An unusual position... — Isaac
Is it moral to refuse to participate in a mass social delusion, if said delusion can have at least short-term good effects for society at large and for the individual as well? — baker
When you quoted Fauci your point seemed to be that others should care. From what you've written so far you seem to care little about others yourself. — Tzeentch
There would be legitimate, peer-reviewed dissent. — James Riley
Dissent to what? What exactly is the view you think the peer-reviewed science supports? — Isaac
The ones vaccinated can't get ill no more. — Prishon
That's my point. I don' know. — James Riley
Had you some good science behind you, then you would not take it to the public. You'd take it to your peers. There would be legitimate, peer-reviewed dissent. — James Riley
As I stated, those who know lack confidence (Socrates?) and those who don't know are full of confidence (Tucker Carlson, et al). — James Riley
If say 40% of all people (I would be one of them) would refuse to take the Covid19 vaccine, how would society or politics react. — Prishon
You barely know me, but I am sick, a pussy, selfish, etc., and all the other things you assumed I must do or be. — Tzeentch
.How do you know there is no such dissent if you don't even what the view is there'd be dissent against? — Isaac
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