Isnt it possible that people getting mad at non-vaccinators (and hinestly, I must get one if I wanna go to my family in Italy) are getting mad maybe because they are afraid of infecting them? So they cant give them a hug anymore? — Prishon
sick — James Riley
No one can make me. — Prishon
"They" are the vaccinated — Prishon
But still people. On who you can get mad. People are irrational. You have to live with that. — Prishon
2mReplyOptions — Banno
point — khaled
I didnt say I demand it. — Prishon
The reason I don't want it is because I dont want it. I dont think about others in that case. — Prishon
Yes, from your point of view I'm acknowledging the severity of the problem and suggesting people continue to make it worse through doubtful conversation. It must appear to be quite absurd.You do realize your entire reply is a non-sequitur, yes? — tim wood
Yes, this is a bit of a red herring. People certainly have free will and invalidating it is problematic to making a convincing argument. In regards to the immediate context, to the counter position I'm suggesting you don't share. Which is ok. If we all agreed there would be nothing left to fix on Tuesday.Fools do not possess free will. They are the subjects of their foolishness. Discussion of their "freedom" is immediate absurdity. — tim wood
Neither affect the viral load outside the bloodstream, in the nasal mucosa, for example, which, as I cited earlier, carries a significant proportion of the transmitted virus particles. — Isaac
Do you have references for this claim? — Janus
The information I have been able to find on the issue of viral load suggests that the more infected you are the more virus you will be shedding. — Janus
the vaccinated will be on average significantly less infected and hence less infectious — Janus
OK, but you haven't addressed the point as to why one should not adopt all the strategies that work, because together they will be even more efficacious than any single strategy. You are offering other strategies as alternatives to vaccination, why should they not be adjuncts? — Janus
Are you saying that there might some day be a true answer to the question as to whether vaccination reduces viral transmission, but that there is no fact of the matter today because we are not able to determine it? — Janus
I wasn't suggesting that unvaccinated people should be accused, much less convicted, of actually infecting people, so I'm not seeing your analogy here. — Janus
Is it not the case that people may be confined if they are judged to be mentally by professionals ill in a way and to a degree that makes it seem likely to the psychologist(s) that makes the judgement and commit them to an institution that they will be a danger to themselves or others? — Janus
Those people you reference don't exist. — James Riley
when it turns out they were wrong, they want to come, on bended knee, to the very system they failed to trust — James Riley
what kind of society raises people who think they can listen to a charlatan and somehow know better? — James Riley
Those who chose differently, yes, I would expect them to kick me to the street. After all, that is the kind of people they are.
But I would NEVER, not in a million years, go to them for treatment. — James Riley
others — khaled
...what are we learning 'bout the recalcitrants, folks?
What clever, well-informed, articulate folk they be. — Banno
Yes, the result is interesting. Have you an explanation? — Banno
You might not be aware that my comments were on a novel thread created by Prishon, which caught my attention and to which I posted prior to it's being merged here. — Banno
I was only saying that it seems plausible to think the vaccinated in general would be less infectious than the unvaccinated in general. — Janus
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