I didn't say they couldn't. I said their existence is proof of God(s). — Prishon
argument — javi2541997
The big question is though where the gods themselves came from and if we really need them .I don't. — Prishon
t is impossible to be an atheist but in the other hand, it is "possible" to believe in something you do not have proofs about as God. — javi2541997
Sorry if my reply was not appropriate. I will not involve in debates nobody asked me to again. — javi2541997
How do you make decisions when you don't know (something)?
Say you don't know whether it'll rain tomorrow or not. How will you plan for the morrow? You have to assume either that it'll rain or not, right?
— TheMadFool
There’s no final decision either way to be made here. As you say, either it’ll rain or not. You can plan for only one outcome, taking a calculated risk, or choose to include both possibilities in your plans. And all of this regardless of what you believe, which could well change every time you ask yourself the question, or check the forecast. Why lock yourself into a plan until you have to? — Possibility
Nonsense. You "know about" Sauron, don't you? And "about" Klingons too? Also "about" Zeus? (vide Meinong.) Every (mono)theist "knows about" at least one other g/G she doesn't worship which she "knows does not exist". I only have to disbelieve in any g/G which you believers say you believe in and thereby define as real. So define your g/G (i.e. select a deity actually worshipped by any religious tradition), claim it is more-than-imaginary, and I will show that that claim is untrue (by falsifying whatever its predicates entail) or show that that claim is incoherent (i.e. too vague or self-inconsistent to make sense as a claim); and therefore demonstrate that such a g/G is only an empty name and an untrue belief.It is impossible to be an atheist. Because, to say that God does not exist, one must know what God is. If one knows about God, then God must exist, because one cannot know what does not exist. — Corvus
On the contrary (pace Tillich), a freethinker replies If there is sufficient evidence to rule out that nature alone suffices to account for nature itself, then g/G, or something like it, must exist. According to apophatic theology, however, "one has to be silent" iff g/G exists.To be agenuine atheist, one has to be silent, when asked "Does God exist?" — Corvus
understand — javi2541997
So define your g/G (i.e. select a deity actually worshipped by any religious tradition), claim it is more-than-imaginary, — 180 Proof
No need to thank me, Corvus, it's par for the course.It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Your "logic" is merely semantics. Mention is not affirmation. And I notice you completely avoid how one can address another's claim (e.g. "God exists") without assenting to that claim. Must be you're not educated enough to have been acquainted with Aristotle's maxim
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
No need to thank me, Corvus, it's par for the course. — 180 Proof
Clearly, Prishon, you have the same problem as Corvis.Must be you're not educated enough to have been acquainted with Aristotle's maxim:
'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.' — 180 Proof
Tell me how you know this to be the case. :chin:There is not one true and only reality. — Prishon
It seems I've failed to make my point. If you don't know whether it'll rain or not tomorrow, what do you plan to do the coming day with your umbrella or Mackintosh? — TheMadFool
I’ll take my umbrella with me, obviously. — Possibility
Another poor analogy, — Possibility
My point is that I fail to see the necessity of permanently locking in one belief or another. The only reason I can think of is that it renders my actions more predictable for others. There is an overall pattern to my actions in some areas of life that could be interpreted as a belief in God, and others that could be construed as atheism. But I don’t think the apparent contradiction is my problem, really. — Possibility
So, not knowing whether it'll rain or not tomorrow means you'll take your umbrella.
What about if you know it'll rain tomorrow. You'll take your umbrella, right?
Being agnostic about tomorrow's precipitation status is the same as knowing tomorrow will be a rainy day. What's the point of being an agnostic then? After all, an rain-agnostic taking the umbrella is equivalent to assuming it'll rain and doing the same. — TheMadFool
This isn't an analogy. It's a real-world example of how being agnostic won't cut it when it comes to decision-making. — TheMadFool
Oversimplification, but I’ve come to expect that from you. It’s only ‘the same’ with regard to the specific decision to take or not take an umbrella with you. — Possibility
Correct the scenario then - make it better, add/delete as it seems fit; remember, you have to be agnostic about some claim and make a decision based on that uncertainty, then compare that too how you would make the decision based on knowing i.e. you have to be certain about whatever it is that you're agnostic about. — TheMadFool
Aye, there’s the rub. There is no way to be certain in making a decision without some degree of ignorance/exclusion. As I said, it’s about how much inaccuracy you’re willing to overlook. — Possibility
There is no way to be certain in making a decision without some degree of ignorance/exclusion. As I said, it’s about how much inaccuracy you’re willing to overlook. — Possibility
Assume, Possibility, let's go hog wild, you're totally uncertain, say God's existence is 50/50. Do you pray or not? Why? — TheMadFool
If I pray to God Im 100% certain He exists. I dont pray (I dont care about Him). But if I did I would do it with full conviction. Not while thinking there is a 63% chance he doesnt get my message. — Prishon
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