here is something spiritual which, by a divine dispensation, has accompanied me from my childhood up. It is a voice that, when it occurs, always indicates to me a prohibition of something I may be about to do, but never urges me on to anything. — Socrates
we shall, I think, be nearest to knowledge when we avoid, so far as possible, intercourse and communion with the body, except what is absolutely necessary, and are not filled with its nature, but keep ourselves pure from it until God himself sets us free — Socrates
liberation from [the ignorance that binds us to] the round of birth and death — Wayfarer
Socrates does speak of the “loosing”, or “setting free” (lysis, apolysis) of the soul — Apollodorus
Just think about this. Einstein thought the universe is deterministic on the grounds that God dont play dice. So God matters. — Prishon
Its very relevant to the discussion. If God cant create pure randomness then this has implications for QM. — Prishon
Does it get your adverse juices flowing? I guess yes. I cant see the irony in what I said. God didnt like pure chance. In fact he couldnt even imagine it! Thats why he created hidden variables. — Prishon
God didnt like pure chance. In fact he couldnt even imagine it! Thats why he created hidden variables.
— Prishon
Dont you think this is ironic. — Prishon
No, nothing surprising/out of the ordinary/counter-intuitive going on. — TheMadFool
Then you have to admit that God HAS an influence on epistemology. — Prishon
What would they do? Make you admit? — Prishon
I'm fed up with your questions! — KDT
Nontheless it was a nice polemic. And eventough God and the gods are there I prefer not to gove a goddamne thing about them. Insofar Im concerned they are dead. I use him only for interpreting QM, which he or they created. — Prishon
I'm too tired to fight back! You win! — TheMadFool
It is illustrative and obviously not a personal inventory of Socrates knowledge. Has this really been confusing people? — Cheshire
To know that I don't know is better than to think you know when you actually don't know. — TheMadFool
Beautiful prose, although I don’t understand all of the allusions. — Wayfarer
My feeling about The Enlightenment is that its aim is to bend the world to our will and to make ourselves the arbiter of truth, rather than seek a truth to which we must conform. — Wayfarer
the spirit of our age is deeply inimical to his kind. We threw the baby of wisdom out with the bathwater of religion. — Wayfarer
As once I said, ideas enslave as much as they emancipate. — TheMadFool
I'm haven't read a lot of Greek philosophers, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Socrates was talking about. After all, like some fools, he was put to death. Does that make sense in context: — T Clark
"Know Thyself" implies 'to know that one does not know' with complete certainty — 180 Proof
to make wisdom a life goal meant he had to stop caring about crossing the river Styx but then, if he didn't mind a visit from the Grim Reaper, he didn't give jack sh** about life. Thus, in a sense, life was of utmost importance to Socrates but also, it was not! — TheMadFool
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