Or infinite task (i.e. the journey is the destination). A philosophos (seeker) is not a sophos (sage).... an unattainable goal. — Apollodorus
Or infinite task (i.e. the journey is the destination). A philosophos (seeker) is not a sophos (sage). — 180 Proof
It's interesting because it's contrary to a JTB approach to knowledge. — Cheshire
The way I see it JTB is more like a Stoic idea and is not the best approach to understand Socrates and Plato. — Apollodorus
I would offer that the culprit is the desire for the outcome (certainty) that science provides, that the same outcome can be reached by anyone, so not only does it have nothing to do with our interests and commitments, but the process does nothing to make us a better person. — Antony Nickles
We must not forget that for Plato true knowledge is not about some propositions, but about Ideas or Forms. — Apollodorus
Does anyone still think that JTB is a useful way of thinking about knowledge? — T Clark
Is that to say true knowledge is internalizing propositional truth into some refined state or knowledge is about a system/method/mode of thought? — Cheshire
Does anyone still think that JTB is a useful way of thinking about knowledge? — T Clark
There are endless debates on this forum about justified true belief, sometimes it's hard to judge what makes it such an elusive topic. — Wayfarer
I'm fed up with your questions!
— KDT
Who is KDT? — Prishon
As once I said, ideas enslave as much as they emancipate.
— TheMadFool
In a sense, that is the message of Taoism. — T Clark
Śūnyatā (emptiness) is the ninth 'view' (Sanskrit: dṛṣṭi), the viewless view, a superposition of the eight possible arrays of proposition P [and its 'inseparable contradistinction' (Sanskrit: apoha)]. — Wikipedia
I whine and complain about the needless tangle of words with which western philosophy ties up important philosophical issues. None is sillier or more misleading than justified true belief.
— T Clark
:clap: :100: — 180 Proof
IMO what T Clark says about the anachronistic "JTB" word salad is demonstrable true. Knowledge is falsifiable (i.e. fallibilistic), therefore not a matter of "justification" (re: the problem of induction, infinite regress of 'foundationalism', self-inconsistency of positivistic "verificationism", etc). Read Peirce-Dewey. Read Wittgenstein (re: PI, OC). Read Popper, D. Deutsch, N.N. Taleb. Read Sextus Empiricus (re: Pyrrhonians). — 180 Proof
Read Popper — 180 Proof
The idea is not to get trapped in system (of beliefs). Supposedly, this is the so-called madhyamaka (the middle path) in Buddhism. Wayfarer might be able to clarify the matter further. — TheMadFool
The Pyrrhonists promote suspending judgment (epoché) about dogma (beliefs about non-evident matters) as the way to reach ataraxia (tranquility, although that's rather a weak synonym in my view). This is similar to the Buddha's refusal to answer certain metaphysical questions which he saw as non-conducive to the path of Buddhist practice and Nagarjuna's "relinquishing of all views (drsti)".
Diogenes (9.62) reports Antigonus as saying that Pyrrho’s lack of trust in his senses led him to ignore precipices, oncoming wagons and dangerous dogs, and that his friends had to follow him around to protect him from these various everyday hazards. But he then reports the dissenting verdict of Aenesidemus, according to which Pyrrho was perfectly capable of conducting himself in a sensible manner. ....Pyrrho is depicted as maintaining his calm and untroubled attitude no matter what happens to him. This extends even to extreme physical pain—he is reported not to have flinched when subjected to the horrific techniques of ancient surgery—but it also encompasses dangers such as being on a ship in a storm. (This is not to say that he did not avoid such troubles if he could, as suggested by the apocryphal stories mentioned in the previous paragraph; it is just to say that he did not lose his composure in the face of life’s inevitable hardships.) There is another aspect to this untroubled attitude as well. In numerous anecdotes Pyrrho is shown as unconcerned with adhering to the normal conventions of society; he wanders off for days on end by himself, and he performs tasks that would normally be left to social inferiors, such as housework and even washing a pig. Here, too, the suggestion is that he does not care about things that ordinary people do care about — in this case, the disapproval of others. — SEP, Pyrrho
Knowledge is falsifiable — 180 Proof
Physicists on Popper: — frank
Diogenes (9.62) reports Antigonus as saying that Pyrrho’s lack of trust in his senses led him to ignore precipices, oncoming wagons and dangerous dogs, and that his friends had to follow him around to protect him from these various everyday hazards. But he then reports the dissenting verdict of Aenesidemus, according to which Pyrrho was perfectly capable of conducting himself in a sensible manner. ....Pyrrho is depicted as maintaining his calm and untroubled attitude no matter what happens to him. This extends even to extreme physical pain [...] — SEP, Pyrrho
conducting himself in a sensible manner. .... — SEP, Pyrrho
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