Roughly 0.2%, no? — Tzeentch
What position is this argument in support of? "We should have behaved differently in the past" is not a policy — Srap Tasmaner
I suppose we all more or less agree on that, right? — Srap Tasmaner
Anyone who gets vaccinated contributes to their community reaching the threshold set by the relevant public health agency. — Srap Tasmaner
leaving aside whether that moral obligation trumps other reasons an individual may have for not getting vaccinated. — Srap Tasmaner
That's reasonable. It's probably the right policy, I don't know. It's also not clear it connects to (M) up there. — Srap Tasmaner
For an individual, getting vaccinated if you have the opportunity to do so unquestionably helps your community reach its goal, so the simplest thing to do, if you support that goal, is get vaccinated. — Srap Tasmaner
Because in between there's a step:
I support this goal, but not this way of reaching it.
which is not so unusual. — Srap Tasmaner
The point of the citations was to point out the clear insanity of the claim that you comply with every single state recommendation. — Isaac
That's exactly what you're doing. You gave a pseudo-intellectual economic argument which you obviously don't understand as to why you needn't comply with a particular government recommendation. — Isaac
You're not an expert economist so why present the argument as if you understood it... smarter minds than you an' all... Just shut up and follow the recommendations. — Isaac
You just did. — Isaac
Experts say cut down in gas use, you present some neolib, half-cocked pseudo-economics denying you ought to. — Isaac
Even if you would multiply that number by five, it would still leave 99% of people having to make permanent sacrifices in their way of living. — Tzeentch
Why do you think there is so much resistance? — Tzeentch
but you show not the slightest ability to understand others either. — Tzeentch
It makes all this yelling from a moral pedestal is very unconvincing. — Tzeentch
I tried to teach you that I don't comply with every single state recommendation because the state itself has created exceptions — James Riley
Individuals are morally obligated to get vaccinated — Srap Tasmaner
I don't know why you're still banging on about exceptions. — Isaac
The state has provided an exception to it's recommendation on vaccination too, I don't have to get vaccinated. — Isaac
You think, in that case, that those taking the government up on its exception are murdering pieces of shit. — Isaac
'm wondering if you feel that way about yourself when you choose to take the government up on one of its exceptions to their environmental recommendations. — Isaac
They recommend you don't pollute the air. But they allow you to drive and smoke and drink. — James Riley
Is the same as... — Isaac
there's no way on earth you stick to all the government's environmental recommendations only veering from them in cases of specifically allowed exceptions. — Isaac
...those who say mandating mask-wearing is ‘tyranny’ are confused about what it means to be a capable human. It means being able to reason about how we should act towards others.
you can say I am indifferent to suffering resulting from an infectious disease, I can say that you're indifferent to the effects of totalitarianism on children — NOS4A2
asking you to wear a mask is an act of tyranny — Banno
.those who say mandating mask-wearing is ‘tyranny’ are confused about what it means to be a capable human. It means being able to reason about how we should act towards others.
Broadly, yes. I fully support the goal of getting 70% of the population vaccinated (I'd prefer to check natural immunity further first, but it's not a big deal). I think whipping up moral hysteria, exaggerating threats, underplaying risks (such as with children), and allowing rampant profiteering all the way, is so much the wrong way to do it that I think it's possibly more harmful than the end goal. — Isaac
This week, 227 virus deaths were being reported each day in Florida, on average, as of Tuesday, a record for the state and by far the most in the United States right now.
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Even as cases continue to surge, with more than 17,200 people hospitalized with the virus across Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, has held firm on banning vaccine and mask mandates.
It's just that when you say things like 'I trust you'll die soon' — frank
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