Yeah, most reports show that more education and vaccine acceptance (less education and vaccine hesitance) correlate. — jorndoe
If it's a lack of charitable interpretation that's bothering you, there's a list of posts ahead of mine need addressing. — Isaac
Their content doesn't matter. — Isaac
Just if it wasn't clear, in this context, speaking of harmless/harmful isn't the same as when speaking of Dihydrogen Monoxide. — jorndoe
Yeah, most reports show that more education and vaccine acceptance (less education and vaccine hesitance) correlate.
The delimiters are typically high school and college, and far from all are done with detailed rigor and checks.
(Seems biased to dismiss those reports.)
Granted, you can find some that show differently than that, though they're a minority.
People having changed their minds almost always go from hesitance to acceptance.
Some reports suggest a "hard core" that never change their minds.
(In different areas, incorrigibility seems correlated with radical/extreme views.)
One report found that fear of side effects was the most common reason for hesitance. — jorndoe
Just if it wasn't clear, in this context, speaking of harmless/harmful isn't the same as when speaking of Dihydrogen Monoxide. — jorndoe
Largest real-world study of COVID-19 vaccine safety published (Aug 26, 2021) — jorndoe
the comment was explicitly using broader categories: — jorndoe
Now NicK does not want to get vaccinated... — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I prefer risks from external elements to risks from things I did to myself), I don't want to support the pharmaceutical industry, I don't like prophylactic medicine in general. — Isaac
Reverse some of those and see if an inclination to get vaccinated, simply as a matter of preference, appears, notwithstanding any of someone's other views about risk. — Srap Tasmaner
I'm afraid I can't make sense of this paragraph. — Isaac
If it's a lack of charitable interpretation that's bothering you, there's a list of posts ahead of mine need addressing. — Isaac
What I meant was this: suppose I did not avoid but preferred risks that were of my own choosing; or suppose I wanted to support the pharmaceutical industry; or suppose I generally approved of prophylactic medicine. Any such preference might even trump other views I have about risk in general, or about the risks of covid and vaccination in particular. But without knowing about those preferences, you might be hard pressed to make sense of my views -- that was the point. — Srap Tasmaner
If I held a position that could be summarized thus, warning bells would be going off that I had made some kind of mistake somewhere. — Srap Tasmaner
But from my side, there's a crazy patchwork of argument and obiter dicta with the actual structure obscured by a tangle of threads connecting everything to everything else. — Srap Tasmaner
my preference for whiskey would explain why I'm drinking one right now, your preference for brandy would explain why you're not (but rather are having a brandy), but your preference for brandy wouldn't explain why you think my drinking a whiskey is wrong. — Isaac
Having brought them up, however, I would be interested in what your preferences are, if you've a mind to say. What factors would you consider apart from health risk/benefit[/]? — Isaac
But the other part of what you've been up to could be summarized, only a little uncharitably, like this:
((S)) I don't want to get vaccinated and you can't say boo to me about it because other people smoke and eat red meat.
If I held a position that could be summarized thus, warning bells would be going off that I had made some kind of mistake somewhere. — Srap Tasmaner
Could you explain why? — Isaac
the main thread is the threshold of acceptable risk to your community's health services. I don't suppose anyone has something like a number in mind, but a rough idea of what is and is not acceptable. I expect a degree of consistency, and I don't think that's all that odd. — Isaac
We'd find it odd if someone who smoked like a chimney started complaining about the burden on the health service caused by meat-eaters. You'd find that odd no? — Isaac
People who take a reasonably large risk of burdening their health services are complaining about those taking a smaller risk. I'm trying to find out why. — Isaac
the partitioning of the alternatives by naming a "favored term" -- only means I'll need an explanation to understand your choice. — Srap Tasmaner
if men and women in lab coats hold press conferences and tell me they think I ought to do something, I'll need reasons not to — Srap Tasmaner
we'd have to add some premises to get it looking like an inference. I don't like the look of what we'd have to add, though: that's a lot of individuals with their own reasons and given their own circumstances. — Srap Tasmaner
the goal is to compare what someone says about one thing with what they say about another. Even if I'm careful, and do the work, do I get anything better than plain "whataboutism"? — Srap Tasmaner
That doesn't always matter, but explicitly here we're supposed to be interested in why people say one thing and another, and you've decided for them why they're saying what they do. — Srap Tasmaner
Add the right premise or premises and their views might be perfectly consistent. — Srap Tasmaner
Obviously because they have other beliefs informing their views. Is that so strange? — Srap Tasmaner
If the exercise is to have any point at all, it has to start by settling on shared criteria, our criteria. — Srap Tasmaner
Not sure I get this. Does unable to understand really mean unable to approve? — Isaac
The scientists can only tell us what the facts are, not what we ought to do about them. — Isaac
I've only just read you saying that indirect realism about patterns is 'horseshit' — Isaac
it's a question, not an avoidance strategy — Isaac
I can't say as I'd heard many other options. — Isaac
Shaking my head in defeat. :fear:You're risking long term loss of lung function if you don't get vaccinated. — frank
What would you be approving of? — Srap Tasmaner
But again, someone choosing the non-favored option only means you require some explanation — Srap Tasmaner
in some cases the scientist is wearing a public health hat with the lab coat, so I grandfather them in. — Srap Tasmaner
there's an armchair version of it that still rubs me the wrong way. — Srap Tasmaner
It still seems like a long way around to me — Srap Tasmaner
Maybe there isn't a single premise everyone shares that carries more weight than all their other preferences put together. Maybe what we're looking at here is more of a "family resemblance" situation, lots of overlap and so on, but not one single most important thread. — Srap Tasmaner
Shaking my head in defeat. :fear:
I'm getting tired my friend. :worry: — ArguingWAristotleTiff
If a friendly voice says, "No really, go ahead and do it.", I usually do. — frank
The data you're using isn't for the delta variant. This is the problem with preferring data over the friendly voice. — frank
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