Is it even worth it to engage with these people?
They're immune to facts and they will not change their minds no matter what happens, which is interesting psychologically. But should we engage for the sake of others who are rational but "on the fence"?
I struggle with this. — Xtrix
Is it even worth it to engage with these people? — Xtrix
Is it even worth it to engage with these people? — Xtrix
I struggle with it because of the stakes. — Xtrix
Regarding the ninth of November, on the other hand, I think the physical evidence for controlled demolition is completely overwhelming. — bert1
Regarding the ninth of November, on the other hand, I think the physical evidence for controlled demolition is completely overwhelming. To even begin to change my mind on that I'd need to see a plausible explanation for the collapse of building 8 minus 1 - office conflagration isn't plausible. — bert1
Why speak obliquely instead of using the date and building number conventionally used? Am I out of the loop on something? — James Riley
The problem aren't those other people and whatever stances they hold or the things they do. — baker
The problem is that you take for granted that you're entitled to live in a safe world that is obligated to accomodate you. — baker
Is it even worth it to engage with these people? — Xtrix
Is it even worth it to engage with these people? — Xtrix
Do you disagree that righteous indignation is a great feeling? — baker
For me, I engage them only in the company of a third party or audience, not to persuade them but to expose the falsity of such claims before witnesses and hopefully to provoke others to question prevalent, uninformed gossip, conventional wisdom and stupifying conspiracies. Like a good gadly, I try to plant seeds of doubt in as many heads as the occasion allows. 'Shaming stupidity' (or rodeo-clownin' the bulls***) is how I roll online as well as off. :smirk:Anti-Vaxxers, Creationists, 9/11 Truthers, Climate Deniers, Flat Earthers ... Is it even worth it to engage with these people? — Xtrix
Philosophy does not serve the State or the Church, who have other concerns. It serves no established power. The use of philosophy is to sadden. A philosophy that saddens no one, that annoys no one, is not a philosophy. It is useful for harming stupidity, for turning stupidity into something shameful. — Gilles Deleuze
For me, I engage them only in the company of a third party or audience, not to persuade them but to expose the falsity of such claims before witnesses and hopefully to provoke others to question prevalent, uninformed gossip, conventional wisdom and stupifying conspiracies. Like a good gadly, I try to plant seeds of doubt in as many heads as the occasion allows. 'Shaming stupidity' (or rodeo clownin' the bulls***) is how I roll online as well as off. :smirk:
Philosophy does not serve the State or the Church, who have other concerns. It serves no established power. The use of philosophy is to sadden. A philosophy that saddens no one, that annoys no one, is not a philosophy. It is useful for harming stupidity, for turning stupidity into something shameful.
— Gilles Deleuze — 180 Proof
Then you're a more mature man than I am. I struggle with it because of the stakes. Climate change and COVID are good examples. — Xtrix
My point is that as long as one is looking for happiness outside, one is going to be faced with an endless amount of problems. Even if you were to opt for the final solution (as some in the past did) and executed it in full (as those in the past haven't succeeded), so that you'd be left only with like-minded people, you'd still be living on a planet where there are volcano eruptions, tsunamis, earthquakes, dangerous animals, unwelcome genetic mutations, limited natural resources, and at that a planet that is on collision course with some asteroids, in a solar system whose sun will eventually explode. IOW, living on such a planet and looking for happiness outside, you'd still be miserable. — baker
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