Religion is not tied to the “truth” of some fact or set of facts or some event or series of events in history. It is an imposition of critics and a reflex of the ill informed. — Ennui Elucidator
We might laugh about their religion being archaic, but they aren't the ones hanging from the helicopters. ;) — stoicHoneyBadger
Dawkins focuses on the fact of Islam, or Christianity or any other religion being factually incorrect. But what if the goal of a religion is not to be factually correct, but to give people moral guidance, thumos and social cohesion? — stoicHoneyBadger
But who would think that moral guidance and social cohesion comes from throwing acid in the face of a girl for daring to learn to read and beheadings for apostasy? I'm fairly certain that if religions were tolerant and open minded people like Dawkins would vanish. — Tom Storm
Amen. :halo: :pray:Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annaeus Seneca
And so would religions. — baker
Do you know of any religion that has ever been friendly toward another religion? I don't. — baker
This view "All are good, but ours is the best" can sometimes be found in religions, and if one isn't careful, one could readily mistake it for religious tolerance, when it actually isn't. — baker
Should terms denoting religious identity be exempt from being meaningful?As long as we agree not to engage in a game of what is a true Scotsman? — Ennui Elucidator
They're not "friendly" toward other religions, they just don't give a shit about them. Duh.Do you know of any religion that has ever been friendly toward another religion? I don't.
— baker
Unitarian Universalists
A variety of liberal Jewish movements:
Reconstructionism
Humanistic Judaism
Humanism Generally.
Ethical Humanism
I'm sure I could find others with relatively little effort, but I'm not sure what a more comprehensive list would do for the conversation. — Ennui Elucidator
You're not saying anything new.As an aside, this is a problem for religions interested in applying to everyone everywhere. Religions that are happy to constrain themselves to insular thinking (you do you, we do us, and we are the best) probably exist more than you might think. Not every religion intends to have everyone in the world agree with them or advocates that everyone in the world should agree with them. — Ennui Elucidator
Maybe Promethean is more apt ...the sisyphusean task.
— 180 Proof
I'm glad that's adjectival and not a noun substantive, else whence hope? But for "Sisyphusean," I shall read Herculean, that more in accord with my impression of both my powers and yours, however latent mine may be. — tim wood
They're not "friendly" toward other religions, they just don't give a shit about them. Duh. — baker
Should terms denoting religious identity be exempt from being meaningful? — baker
I'm not sure what is intended by your remark, but you can flesh it out if you feel like it. I am personally familiar with these religions being friendly with other religions and even encouraging education about other religions to their members. T — Ennui Elucidator
I'm inclined to agree. I've had significant contact with a range of religious faiths - churches, temples and synagogues and running alongside ethnocentrism and in group chauvinism is also a vast wellspring of generosity, hospitality and solidarity, galvanized by best kinds of ecumenical commitments. — Tom Storm
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