Where have I said that I discriminate against gays in that post? Nowhere. I simply said that those who wish to build communities without homosexuals should be respected, and we can help them achieve this, because we have nothing against homosexuals, and we can treat them as first class citizens... This is doing good for both - respecting the freedom of both. — Agustino
Yes, I can says conservatives are evil. Conservatives are pathological and hate the other. Eschew it before it consumes you. — Landru Guide Us
Just be honest and admit you hate and fear gays. Get it over with. You'll feel better. — Landru Guide Us
Well if this is the case - notice you have broken the limit and have gone into hate speech - you cannot demand or expect that any conservative behave nicely towards you. Because it would be like a Westerner behaving nicely to a Jihadist who wants to kill him... nonsense. — Agustino
but rather that their ideology is such that it advocates various minorities are of lesser value and that associate which does this is not of ethical concern (to the people living in it, I might add). — TheWillowOfDarkness
In arguing it is right (i.e. moral) for certain society to lock them-up and kill them, just because those in power enforce such a rule. Even in the face of those living in the respective country expressing it is immoral. — TheWillowOfDarkness
So slaves can't expect the respect of slaveholder is they call them criminal and evil. — Landru Guide Us
It's a matter of the logical expression of their understand an actions. The truth of how people are valuing and treating others is what matters. — TheWillowOfDarkness
What are you talking about... slaves by definition cannot expect the respect of the slaveholder, regardless of whether they call him God or devil. — Agustino
So it's not that simple to judge whether someone really is oppressed, or they're just feeling oppressed, or worse - they claim to be oppressed to obtain certain advantages. — Agustino
↪Landru Guide Us No, I think your analogy simply doesn't hold. There's no comparison between conservatives, many of whom are just normal people like me and you, and thus hold no power of life and death over you, and slaveowners and their slaves. Slaveowners could do whatever they wanted to their slaves. If you think conservatives can do whatever they want to you, then I suggest you seek the help of a medical professional. — Agustino
Where have I said that I discriminate against gays in that post? Nowhere. I simply said that those who wish to build communities without homosexuals should be respected, and we can help them achieve this, because we have nothing against homosexuals, and we can treat them as first class citizens... This is doing good for both - respecting the freedom of both. — Agustino
No, conservatism is fueled by wealthy oppressors, intent on exploiting others. They are pathological. — Landru Guide Us
In any case, the whole purpose of conservatism is to exploit others and enrich the rich - kind of like slave owners. — Landru Guide Us
Isn't it odd that of all the problems of the world, including the vast oppression of minorities and the poor by the rich, Agustino has decided the the most important issue for him is defending the right of oppressive regimes to discriminate against gays. Now that's a noble cause. — Landru Guide Us
This is another conservative trope: say something and then say you didn't say it, looping back over and over again. — Landru Guide Us
You defended the right of oppressive regimes to discriminate and bemoaned interference by goodgoody liberals in trying to stop them. You called this, amazingly, a "fundamental right". — Landru Guide Us
So stop pretending. It's clear you just don't like gays, and probably other minorities, and have hit upon the idea of noninterference with oppressive regimes (my that is so important!) as a justification. — Landru Guide Us
↪Agustino But that's shown to be utterly wrong throughout history. We've had regimes, for example, that locked-up, murdered and otherwise ostracised gay people for fucking centuries. — TheWillowOfDarkness
If a an oppressed group doesn't gain "an advantage" they are still oppressed. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Slaveowners could do whatever they wanted to their slaves. If you think conservatives can do whatever they want to you, then I suggest you seek the help of a medical professional. — Agustino
Hitler was a socialist — Agustino
It merely claims that homosexuals should be helped to live under regimes which favor their disposition. — Agustino
It doesn't follow that because I personally disagree with them, others must also disagree. — Agustino
But let us remember that Socrates deemed it morally despicable if he were to run away from the court which had unfairly sentenced him to death. He argued that since he had accepted those laws from the very beginning, and had been greatly helped by being a citizen, and he never departed to a different region of the world, he had an obligation to follow the law even when he disagreed with it :) Instead, we have people in this thread who argue that homosexuals in Iran SHOULDN'T respect the law of their countries... — Agustino
I have yet to see a society founded upon the morally reprehensible survive and thrive. Those things can and do happen - but they are generally brought to an end by the community in which they happen sooner or later. I believe that communities, having the freedom to govern themselves, necessarily make mistakes and learn from them, just like we have made mistakes and learned from them. — Agustino
I don't disagree. Keep in mind that I am all for bombing Syria, and annihilating ISIS. Why? Because ISIS poses a threat to the sovereignty and national security of other countries, and therefore other countries have to react by destroying them. — Agustino
HItchens was mostly just dumb. Gallaway really wiped him out in his debate with him over Iraq. — Landru Guide Us
Hitler was a socialist — Agustino
Ok, so show me where. All of us have big mouths, but let's see, can we walk the talk as well? — Agustino
No I don't. Fundamental rights are given by each state in particular. There are no rights beyond the state. A man by birth has no more rights than a tiger has. — Agustino
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