Well I don't think there is a right to health care. — Bartricks
No, Riled-up, it is 'ethicists' we should be listening to. — Bartricks
Ethicists are experts on what it is right or wrong to do. Doctors are not. — Bartricks
This is simply incorrect.
— Xtrix
Explain. Is the vaccine effective? If it is, then they're not posing a risk to the vaccinated. If it is not effective, then yes - I agree, they're posing a risk to everyone. But then there's no point in forcing people to take an ineffective vaccine. — Bartricks
And they're not ethicists, so perhaps they don't understand the ethical significance of this issue. — Bartricks
No, it’s doctors we should be listening to. Mostly virologists, epidemiologists, infectious disease experts, etc. — Xtrix
What’s “riled-up” mean here? — Xtrix
Doctors don’t consult “ethicists” in the ER. — Xtrix
Incidentally, medical ethicists I’ve read are in agreement about vaccinations. — Xtrix
Oh, okay then. Good point. On an ethical issue - so an issue to do with what it is right or wrong to do - we should not listen to ethicists, but those with no expertise in ethics. — Bartricks
Also, there are medical ethics committees and those have ethicists on them. — Bartricks
Incidentally, medical ethicists I’ve read are in agreement about vaccinations.
— Xtrix
Really. Who? — Bartricks
But they'll have arguments for their view.....which is something you don't seem to have provided me with. — Bartricks
This is really your reasoning?
Did you say you were an “ethicist”? — Xtrix
There’s a reason doctors get more respect and prestige than philosophers. I sense you’re a little perturbed but this. — Xtrix
I mentioned one already, who I’m sure you’re familiar with: Art Caplan. A medical ethicist. He’s strongly in favor of mandates. But that’s because he understands vaccines and the goals of vaccinations. — Xtrix
So, do you respect the views of ethicists or not? Or is it only when they say something you already agree with that you respect them? I am unclear what your position is. — Bartricks
And what argument do you have? This is a philosophy forum - I've argued, you haven't. What's your argument? — Bartricks
But not their expertise in ethics? — Bartricks
You haven't said anything - anything - to challenge anything I've argued. — Bartricks
Now, as for that article you linked to: did you read it yourself? — Bartricks
I have. I also quoted from it a little. — Xtrix
So you picked up that he wasn't arguing for making people vaccinate. — Bartricks
Dr Caplan - for it seems to me to bear closer resemblance to mine that it does to yours. — Bartricks
Isn't smoking a doing something? We are asking people to refrain from unvaccinating? At some point the push forward just creates more push back. Vaccination seems to fall along some political lines. The virus spreads really fast now with the delta variant. Technically, there's two ways to increase the percent population of the vaccinated.I use the example of smoking, and asked several questions related to this example, which you’ve repeatedly ignored— I assume now on purpose. But it’s a relevant one, as are the facts of the case at hand. — Xtrix
No, he doesn't say that. — Bartricks
He’s building off of the necessity of mandates— it’s right in the title, in fact. — Xtrix
JS Mill was a fine thinker. He’d also be in favor of these mandates, because he wasn’t an idiot. — Xtrix
As I suspected, this is really just libertarian “principles” once again coming to absurd conclusions. — Xtrix
No he isn't. — Bartricks
But in that quote you just gave, he also does not explicitly defend mandates. He asks, "how ought we to solve it?" and then simply describes something, which is not the same as defending it. — Bartricks
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