:smirk:It's a doctrine built on the confirmation bias.
Nothing to see here. — Banno
"Experience" is the interpretive content of (spotlighted by) "consciousness" which is the output of "subconscious processes" interacting with the (CNS-brain's) environment. Our species cognitive defect: we impose patterns on noise (e.g. "seeing" faces in clouds or Jesus on toast, "noticing" palindromes everywhere, etc) as a result of the advantageous adaptive trait of false positives (i.e. "perceiving patterns" where there aren't any – coincidences, accidents) like the OP.In particular, what is the role of consciousness, subconscious processes and intention in the manifestation of experience? — Jack Cummins
I don't understand this. Can you explain what you mean ?Sufficiently advanced order/patten/law is indistinguishable from disorder (chaos, randomness, anarchy, wildness) — Yohan
"Chaos" is the materialist's Woo of the gaps.
— Yohan
I quite like that. — Banno
Chaos (Ancient Greek: χάος, romanized: kháos) is the mythological void state preceding the creation of the universe (the cosmos) in Greek creation myths. In Christian theology, the same term is used to refer to the gap created by the separation of heaven and earth.[1][2] — Wiki: Chaos
In some spiritual systems, there is the notion of karma, which is the law of cause and effect, or 'as you reap, you will sow'. This involves our own experiences in the process of causal chain. The way I think that this could work is that our own subconscious processes experiences in such a way that our guilt and other emotions come into play in drawing experiences towards us. — Jack Cummins
So, I wonder about the role of our own consciousness in what becomes manifest in life. Intention affects our behaviour, but I do think that it may go beyond this and intentionality and thought may have more dramatic effects, involving layers of the subconscious. — Jack Cummins
...having started this thread I can see that people clearly view the matter differently from me....
I believe that causality and chance may be far more complex than recognized within mainstream scientific thinking. — Jack Cummins
‘Serendipity’ is a category used to describe discoveries in science that occur at the intersection of chance and wisdom. In this paper, I argue for understanding serendipity in science as an emergent property of scientific discovery, describing an oblique relationship between the outcome of a discovery process and the intentions that drove it forward. The recognition of serendipity is correlated with an acknowledgment of the limits of expectations about potential sources of knowledge. — On Serendipity: discovery at the intersection of chance and wisdom
Stories of scientific discovery abound with lucky coincidences. It's true that serendipity and good fortune are often cited as key factors in making scientific innovations. But look closer. Even when scientists feel that they just got lucky — like Newton being hit on the head with his proverbial apple — the steps leading to a new finding or idea often tell a different story. It takes more than being in the right place, at the right time, to make a serendipitous discovery. Here are a few important attributes of scientists who turned a lucky break into a breakthrough: — Berkeley article: The Story of Serendipity
The purpose of this paper is to show that serendipity can come in different forms and come about in a variety of ways. The archives of Robert K Merton, who introduced the term to the social sciences, were used as a starting point for gathering literature and examples. I identify four types of serendipity (Walpolian, Mertonian, Bushian, Stephanian) together with four mechanisms of serendipity (Theory-led, Observer-led, Error-borne, Network-emergent). I also discuss implications of the different types and mechanisms for theory and policy. — Science Direct: Serendipity: Towards a taxonomy and a theory
causality and chance — Jack Cummins
A clever bit of woo that makes no sense. Materialist, of course, or otherwise."Chaos" is the materialist's Woo of the gaps. — Yohan
And yet "materialism" (I prefer naturalism) works much better than any of the other perhaps less "indefensible" "worldviews"....the indefensible worldview of materialism — Nickolasgaspar
So, I wonder about the role of our own consciousness in what becomes manifest in life. Intention affects our behaviour, but I do think that it may go beyond this and intentionality and thought may have more dramatic effects, involving layers of the subconscious. Perhaps, there are no coincidences at all. So, I am asking about explaining apparent coincidence, the nature of chance, randomness and causation. In particular, what is the role of consciousness, subconscious processes and intention in the manifestation of experience? I am interested to know what other people think about this. — Jack Cummins
2. You and your friend are in a deli. As you chow down on the burgers you ordered, you discuss Will Smith (the actor) and his movie I am legend. Just as one of you say "Will Smith", Will Smith walks by on the sidewalk outside the deli. Coincidence, meaningful. — TheMadFool
I believe at root, consciously or unconsciously, the naturalists believe order comes from chaos. Maybe that is wrong. I know that is what I think when I try to think from a naturalist point of view. Opposite for divine origin theory. Reason creates the appearance of chaos for the sake of amusing itself, being bored of a perfectly reasonable (thus predictable) reality."Chaos" is the materialist's Woo of the gaps. — YohanA clever bit of woo that makes no sense. Materialist, of course, or otherwise. — 180 Proof
"Chaos" is the materialist's Woo of the gaps. — Yohan
What is meant by 'Chaos' ? — Amity
Chaos theory brings what was previously unexplained within the comfort of mathematics. So, yes. — Banno
Not sure what level you want. — Banno
While the likelihood of him walking past just as you’re talking about him is the same as any other moment — Possibility
Can you give a mathematical example? — ArisTootelEs
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