It's either that or spit on the troops and aid and abet the virus. — James Riley

It's War! But it's just begun and be prepared for a long fight. I'm sure the pharmaceuticals are dreaming up all kinds of new stuff to inject into your body. I hope you are tough enough to get through it. I'll be rooting for you!

It's War! But it's just begun and be prepared for a long fight. I'm sure the pharmaceuticals are dreaming up all kinds of new stuff to inject into your body. I hope you are tough enough to get through it. I'll be rooting for you! — MondoR

I think we already lost, thanks to the likes of you.

I'm glad you don't hold anybody in contempt.
I'm glad to see that its just you think people are delusionally wrong.
I think people could take things the wrong way at times. — Yohan

Read the OP again, it’s full of contempt.

I think we already lost, thanks to the likes of you. — James Riley

Oh well. Do you best. As far as I'm concerned you are just an incubator for yet more virulent vviruses (similar to super-bacteria), but I too will do my best.

but I too will do my best. — MondoR

Your best is to get the free shot. But if we lost the war, it's due to the incubation of non-vaxxed, non-distanced, non-masked folks; not vaxxed folks. (Delta, etc.)

Heck, I have natural immunity as probably most people have by now. Sorry, you listened to the crazies. Next time ask me, or use better judgement.

Next time ask me, or use better judgement. — MondoR

Better check with your doctor. Antibodies from infection don't last. I would ask you, but you're not an expert and don't know what you are talking about. Dr. Mondo. LOL!

Better check with your doctor. Antibodies from infection don't last. I would ask you, but you're not an expert and don't know what you are talking about. Dr. Mondo. LOL — James Riley

Natural immunity has been shown to be substantially better. Maybe permanent. I had the measles, chickenpox, mumps, German measles, etc. as did most of my generation. Sorry, you shouldn't have listened to the co-creator of the virus. Shrug

Natural immunity has been shown to be substantially better. Sorry. — MondoR

We can agree that you are sorry. As to the rest: "The findings highlight an advantage bestowed by natural infection rather than vaccination, but the authors caution that the benefits of stronger memory B cells do not outweigh the risk of disability and death from COVID-19.

“While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does—a natural infection can also kill you,” says Michel C. Nussenzweig, the Zanvil A. Cohn and Ralph M. Steinman professor and head of Rockefeller’s Laboratory of Molecular Immunology. “A vaccine won’t do that and, in fact, protects against the risk of serious illness or death from infection.”

https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/30919-natural-infection-versus-vaccination-differences-in-covid-antibody-responses-emerge/

Natural immunity has been shown to be substantially better. Maybe permanent. — MondoR

No, this is a complete lie. Which is why you can’t back it up with any evidence whatsoever. But keep trying. It’s worth a laugh.

If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
The takeaway: Get vaccinated, even if you've had COVID-19. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity.
"Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting."

Read the OP again, it’s full of contempt. — AJJ

Contempt is a strong word. Don't confuse petty defensiveness for true contempt.

No, this is a complete lie. Which is why you can’t back it up with any evidence whatsoever. But keep trying. It’s worth a laugh. — Xtrix

Stop being hysterical and read the research.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-vaccine-natural-immunity-infection-israel-study-cdc-11632151556

Natural immunity is 27 times more effective. And it's a Israeli study, but the B.S that comes out of the U.S. I feel sorry for all those who listen to Fauci, but that's the pharmaceutical business. A real, true to life, Pied Piper. But so is the whole thriving medical industry.

BTW, did you put a limit on the number of jabs you are going to take, or are you going to turn your body into one giant vaccine.

Natural immunity is 27 times more effective. — MondoR

Then why don't we just give Covid to everyone? You know, kill off the weak.

Did you ever think it might not be about those who survive it?

Everyone is going to get it. Work on improving the immune system not destroying it. Silly, silly humans.

Everyone is going to get it. — MondoR

They are now that you and your ilk are killing them.

Whether immunized or have the much superior natural immunity, both can carry and spread the virus.

You probably passed on the virus to tons of people. Shame on you for being a silent killer.

Ditto for carrying the flu virus, and any other pathogens.

Is there no end to the insanity?

You probably passed on the virus to tons of people. Shame on you for being a silent killer. — MondoR

No, because I also distanced and masked.

Ditto for carrying the flu virus, and any other pathogen. — MondoR

Did you see what happened to flu numbers because of distancing and masking? Remember when this all started and the people like you kept trumpeting the number of flu deaths every year, as if Covid wasn't any worse? DOH!

All they did was call the flu, Covid so they could collect three extra money. How could a mask stop the flu virus and not Covid?? BTW, they are predicting a pretty bad flu season, masks and all.

Did I hear a thank you for having the far superior natural immunity?

All they did was call the flu, Covid so they could collect three extra money. — MondoR

No, this was before they had Covid tests but they have had flu tests for a long time. You stand corrected.

How could a mask stop the flu virus and not Covid?? — MondoR

They stopped both. Imagine how bad it would have been if everyone was like you!

BTW, they are predicting a pretty bad flu season, masks and all. — MondoR

I thought you didn't trust "they." LOL! Seems you cherry pick what you want to rely on.

Did I hear a thank you for having the far superior natural immunity? — MondoR

No, you heard me accuse you of negligent homicide.

No, this was before they had Covid tests but they have had flu tests for a long time. You stand corrected. — James Riley

No testing was required by the hospitals. Very cute.

They stopped both. Imagine how bad it would have been if everyone was like you! — James Riley

Stopped both!!??? You have to be kidding. It was a catastrophe among the elderly, obese, and others with immune problems. The U.S. had the worse record because it's totally profit driven.

As for killing people, vaccination does nothing to reduce the viral load. Natural immunity is 27 times better. You took the jab. Live with the consequences. Don't expect other people to follow your lead. Unfortunately, people are being forced to experiment with their lives just to satisfy hysterical people such as yourself.

Stop being hysterical and read the research.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-vaccine-natural-immunity-infection-israel-study-cdc-11632151556 — MondoR

"Read the research" and then cites the Wall Street Journal opinion page -- one of the most conservative in the country. How predictable.

I actually laughed out loud.

Apparently you didn't even read it:

He disagrees with this policy, relying in large part on the evidence from a retrospective, observational Israeli study showing that “natural immunity was 27 times more effective than vaccinated immunity in preventing symptomatic infections.” He doesn’t add that the same study also found: “Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.”

Natural immunity is 27 times more effective. — MondoR

You don't know what you're talking about.

“Anyone who tells you that they know exactly what’s going on shouldn’t be trusted, because we don’t,” said Sumit Chanda, an infectious disease expert with Scripps Research who studies how pathogens infect cells and the immune system responds.

But the Israel study notes that it has several limitations that could have influenced the findings, including the fact that testing was voluntary and may underestimate people with asymptomatic infections, who may not get tested, or those who may have previously had COVID-19 and believe they are immune.

For researchers like Chanda, whose work helped discover how HIV suppresses the immune response, sweeping declarations about COVID-19 immunity when the science on that topic is still unfolding raises a red flag.

“You can’t unequivocally say that,” he said. “This is the issue with what these guys say. There’s a modicum of truth to what they’re saying but it’s not a generalize-able, actionable type of statement.”

Chanda pointed out that the studies from Israel and the Cleveland Clinic cited by DeSantis are both so-called pre-prints that have not been peer reviewed, which means they have not been evaluated and should not be used to guide the clinical practice of medicine.

“What they need to do is come in with a breadth of literature. That’s what scientific consensus is, you reach a critical mass of data,” he said. “Until then we’re just amassing data. That’s like saying at halftime the score is this so we know what the final score will be. … You have to play all four quarters before we declare a winner and a loser.”

Dr. Maria Alcaide, an infectious disease specialist with the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, said the answer to whether natural immunity confers stronger protection than vaccination alone will depend on many moving parts, including the severity of the disease, the quality of the immune response, and the prevalence of mutations that can evade protection.

The current recommendation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is that those who’ve recovered from the disease should still get the shots.

In a separate interview with CNN’s Sanjay Gupta, Fauci addressed the limitations of the Israel study, saying “the one thing the paper from Israel didn’t tell you is whether or not as high as the protection is with natural infection, what’s the durability compared to the durability of the vaccine.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article254437818.html

Hmm...DeSantis or Fauci? Such a hard choice (for some).

For those who are genuinely curious about natural immunity and vaccines: the jury is out. There's some evidence to suggest natural immunity works better than the vaccines:

Here

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

And some that say the opposite:

Here

"Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection"

COVID-19 vaccines remain safe and effective. They prevent severe illness, hospitalization, and death. Additionally, even among the uncommon cases of COVID-19 among the fully or partially vaccinated vaccines make people more likely to have a milder and shorter illness compared to those who are unvaccinated. CDC continues to recommend everyone 12 and older get vaccinated against COVID-19.

It's an interesting question. My guess is that natural immunity has similar benefits, but also of course wanes. It probably does better with mucosal infection, and so nasal administration should be explored further to make up for this. Vaccinating a few months after infection, as Fauci mentioned (and the previous citation mentioned), is also probably wise (as booster shots will be as well).

"We don't know what sort of protection an individual may have, who experienced a natural infection with SARS-CoV-2. So that's why we strongly recommend that you still pursue vaccination," Ross said.

Scrase says the question isn't vaccine versus natural immunity; it's now how natural immunity is affected by a vaccine or booster shot.

Here

https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/covid-immunity-natural-infection-vaccine

And it's a Israeli study, but the B.S that comes out of the U.S. I feel sorry for all those who listen to Fauci, but that's the pharmaceutical business. A real, true to life, Pied Piper. But so is the whole thriving medical industry. — MondoR

Yeah yeah yeah -- Fauci and the medical establishment aren't worth listening to, because you know more than they do. Why? Because you found an Israeli study. THOSE guys have it right! Why? Because we like those results! That's how you know they're telling the truth: if they agree with us (since we have the truth).

No testing was required by the hospitals. Very cute. — MondoR

Doesn't have to be "required." It's a matter of course. I had a flu test in November of 19 (negative) just because I was under the weather. Dr.s do it all the time. DOH!

Stopped both!!??? You have to be kidding. It was a catastrophe among the elderly, obese, and others with immune problems. The U.S. had the worse record because it's totally profit driven. — MondoR

Man, are you that stupid? Let me dumb it down for you with analogy I've been using with stupid people since they said masks don't work because their glasses fog up. It's like emission control devices on cars: they don't stop all the pollution. But they stop a lot of it it. So, when I say "stopped both" they did. They stopped flu and Covid. Did they stop all of it? No. But the flu tanked compared to normal and it was attributed to distancing and masking. See how that works?

The U.S. had the worse record because it's totally profit driven. — MondoR

The U.S. had it worse because 45% of our country is Republicans who refused to help America. DOH!

As for killing people, vaccination does nothing to reduce the viral load. Natural immunity is 27 times better. You took the jab. Live with the consequences. Don't expect other people to follow your lead. Unfortunately, people are being forced to experiment with their lives just to satisfy hysterical people such as yourself. — MondoR

Did you do the research? LOL! Dr. Mondo! :rofl:

Have you scheduled your booster? You are a menace to humanity.

Have you scheduled your booster? — MondoR

No, but when asked to do so, I will.

You are a menace to humanity. — MondoR

And you are a disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish person. I have reduced this to the shorthand of POS. Carry on.

A daily pill to treat Covid could be just months away, scientists say (Sep 24, 2021)

Maybe the anti-vaxxers would be more amenable to this sort of thing?

Maybe the anti-vaxxers would be more amenable to this sort of thing? — jorndoe

I think it would all depend on who's asking them to take it.

No, they'll figure out some reason to be against it.

I think it would all depend on who's asking them to take it. — James Riley

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