Seatbelts don’t have side-effects. — AJJ
Hell, the side affects of the flu vax, ibuporfin, a McDonald's Big Mac, booze, hot dogs, etc. are greater. Don't be a pussy. — James Riley
Chances of any serious side effects smaller than the chances of winning Powerball— or the chances with any other vaccine. — Xtrix
Ah, good old anecdotes. The imbecile’s idea of “strong evidence.” — Xtrix
The doctor who said the vax killed her is part of a big conspiracy to undermine the vax and is paid by FAUX News. — James Riley
That’s how it’s done. Excellent! I for one am convinced. — Xtrix
If it were a king, he might not ask. Hell, you can even dislike elected officials relying on experts but at least they are just asking politely. Actually, they are near begging. — James Riley
Why do people live? What do they hope to accomplish by living? Should they be helped to live, made to live, solely for the sake of living?
It would be easier to design an emergency response strategy to a health crisis if people's lives would be considered in terms of "living as a means to an end", rather than just "living for the sake of living".
It is, of course, unacceptable to bring this up in polite society. But it is precisely because we haven't cleared this up and instead made it into a taboo topic that our response to a crisis (any crisis) is bound to be ineffective
— baker
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. — frank
With Pfizer's technology they can make a new vaccine in a couple of weeks.
Unfortunately it has to be super frozen, so it's not ideal for protecting war torn regions, for instance. — frank
Indeed, it isn't evidence, but it is cause for action, or in the case of those who don't get vaccinated, inaction. — baker
?No, that's just a heuristic approach that you confuse with making a rational decision. — Benkei
Sure, we can say that these people are irrational, that they are jumping to conclusions, and so on. That they rely on the government too much, that they are even childish and "can't think for themselves". But right now, this is irrelevant. For these people, trust is the primary heuristic, and that's how they function. — baker
They're not irrational or stupid as much as you want to find a reason why you're not able to convince them otherwise. — Benkei
Only asking? Not commanding? — Merkwurdichliebe
So yeah, I get the distrust, I just don't think it translates into having to distrust vaccinations. There's no particular reasons to distrust vaccines other than general distrust of governments and big pharma and that simply isn't evidence. — Benkei
Most good plans are like that. People at large have allowed themselves to be lulled into a false sense of safety, and this is not something that can be remedied easily.And your plan takes too long for the issue at hand. — Benkei
I think that at this point, it's too late for convincing, too late for talking, too late for discussion. At this point, the only effective course of action seems to be to make vaccination and other sanitary measures mandatory, perhaps even enforce martial law.And it's true for both sides in a way. Assuming pro-vaxxers are right, what's the best way to go about convincing anti-vaxxers? Assuming anti-vaxxers are right, what's the best way to go about convincing pro-vaxxers?
This is a lot to expect even from academics, what to speak of ordinary people!A start to at least get a meaningful conversation going is that both sides realise they've not rationally arrived at their position, unless they're expert epidemiologists or virologists and some doctors, and stop assuming only the other is irrational.
That conversation would take time, space, a period of peace with no crises, medical or otherwise.A question could be, what makes a good heuristic decision making process and why? Maybe that can take the conversation further, I don't know.
people first need to be in the clear about "the big existential issues" and have a definitive answer to the meaning of life question. — baker
Eventually there will be commands. And then we have to listen to the wailing. That is if we haven't lost the war already, thanks to these children. In that case, they've killed a lot of people. — James Riley
So you think it's cute when government begs you to get a shot and save you life and that of others? Are your politics showing? — James Riley
That's too bad. Good thing its all speculation. — Merkwurdichliebe
Save my life and the life of others? Don't be so dramatic. — Merkwurdichliebe
And what makes you think I give two fucks about saving lives? — Merkwurdichliebe
Did you know that there are numerous categories of people whose live's needed saving before covid, and continue to need saving today? — Merkwurdichliebe
If I were concerned about saving lives, the first ones I'd try to save would be Arab children getting blown up by the US war effort. But nobody gives a fuck about those people. It's a lot easier to feel righteous by obsessing about covid fatalities. For me, covid fatalities are at the bottom of the list of lives that need to be saved. — Merkwurdichliebe
it should ask . . . . What is so hard about that? — Merkwurdichliebe
You appear to favor the latter mode of statehood, no doubt you would thrive under it. — Merkwurdichliebe
Enough slapping each other on the backs. Get a private room. If you cannot unearth and empathise why anti-vaxxer believe what they do, you're never going to convince them otherwise. They're not irrational or stupid as much as you want to find a reason why you're not able to convince them otherwise. — Benkei
Tell that to the folks who lost loved ones who could not access a bed. — James Riley
And that explains it. — James Riley
Okay, so you side with the virus; killer of millions. Got it. — James Riley
Exercise a little situational awareness and you'll see what's so hard about that. — James Riley
If it were then I wouldn't be supporting the asking, and fearing the tools who could give a shit about others. — James Riley
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