If cowardice is the opposite of bravery, are you doing something brave? Can you describe that? — Monitor
So your judgement on male cowardice is final? Can you see no other virtues to redeem them? — Monitor
It comes down to this: if society does not value the truth it disintegrates. A century of moral nihilism has brought us here, to where the truth is simply unavailable, and talk has almost no value. Thus the thread does little but allow some emotional venting. If trust is irrational, then no one should rationally believe anything another says or posts, and we cannot talk at all. — unenlightened
For folks who distrust their government very very much[ . . .] — Olivier5
So I think you go too far, and not far enough. If trust isn't ever rational, then nothing is ever rational but what one sees with one's own eyes. Perhaps I can adapt Wittgenstein a little and suggest that distrust and trust are on a par, and equally need some, but not absolute, justification. There is, alas, good reason to distrust governments and medical companies, in the record of lies and bullshit that they have promulgated over the years. It is clear that the truth is not as high on their priorities list as their self-interest.
It should be. It comes down to this: if society does not value the truth it disintegrates. A century of moral nihilism has brought us here, to where the truth is simply unavailable, and talk has almost no value. Thus the thread does little but allow some emotional venting. If trust is irrational, then no one should rationally believe anything another says or posts, and we cannot talk at all. — unenlightened
there isn't a need for one's arguments to be understood as rational anyway — Tzeentch
people first need to be in the clear about "the big existential issues" and have a definitive answer to the meaning of life question. — baker
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. — Sagan
the assumption that we can trust each other is a heuristic itself — Benkei
This is why apple pies are so expensive. — frank
"You people", lol. Just so we are clear, to what people do you think I belong? — Merkwurdichliebe
This is why we should care that everyone is being vaccinated unless, of course, they want to isolate themselves from society, which is their choice.
— Xtrix
I disagree. Rather, if you think going out into society is a risk to your health and life, then YOU can choose to dig into your den of cowardice and stay put. — Merkwurdichliebe
The vaccinated can still get breakthrough cases, and some who want a vaccine can't get one. I'm vaccinated, and I'm not afraid of the virus. That means exactly NOTHING when discussing vaccination. We should all get vaccinated -- they're safe, they're effective, and they help stop the spread. 6 billion shots given around the world, 100s of millions of people fully vaccinated. Serious side effects? Extremely rare -- better odds of getting hit by lightning.
— Xtrix
Ok. And your point is...what exactly? — Merkwurdichliebe
If a theory is predictive then it is presumed correct until it is falsified.
Scientists are trustworthy.
Therefore the theory is correct. — Benkei
???some who want a vaccine can't get one. — Xtrix
I'm suggesting that it is a moral imperative. I'm suggesting that rationality cannot exist without trust. I'm suggesting that we are social beings before there can be any question of our being rational or irrational beings. I'm suggesting that reason is and ought to be only the slave of passion. — unenlightened
Almost every negotiation starts without trust. — Benkei
I'm suggesting that reason is and ought to be only the slave of passion. — unenlightened
If only we could spike pie with the vaccine, the world would be vaccinated in no time — Merkwurdichliebe
Almost every negotiation starts without trust. Your negotiation partner can lie about all sorts of things like pricing, lead times, capabilities, quality etc., and magically we still manage. — Benkei
Start with global social distrust and you will see that you are deprived of language entirely. — unenlightened
I'm suggesting that reason is and ought to be only the slave of passion. — unenlightened
What do we do, un? — Srap Tasmaner
I am saying that we are inescapably social and interdependent - we have to trust or die alone. Therefore we have to have a moral commitment to the truth, or die alone. I am saying that if we continue to valorise "rational self-interest" we will all die alone. — unenlightened
"The welfare of the people has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it gives the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience." - Albert Camus — Tzeentch
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