From what I have heard there are already people getting exemption certificates from doctors and a market in fake vaccine certificates. — Janus
What we're seeing in this pandemic is that criticial thinking is being pushed out of all venues. Even at a philosophy forum, the one place in the world that should allow for some nuance and detail, we're now supposed to be all politically correct and superficial. — baker
What might a valid exemption be anyway? — jorndoe
So what's her beef then? — Olivier5
Qualia are not a matter of life and death. COVID is. — Olivier5
I support and respect their right to choose for themselves. — Merkwurdichliebe
What might a valid exemption be anyway? — jorndoe
What might a valid exemption be anyway? — jorndoe
If someone who has a phobia about injecting anything at all into themselves, would that count as grounds for exemption? /.../ If someone is paranoid and has an overwhelming and insurmountable fear and distrust of the vaccine would that count? — Janus
I support and respect their right to choose for themselves.
— Merkwurdichliebe
Where we may disagree here is that choices are never just for the self. — Janus
Say, if my neighbor was an anti-vaxxer — jorndoe
Dragging all unvaccinated off to a facility and inoculating them at gunpoint is a rather extraordinary measure beyond the above, one that you might expect would lead to violence (if the behavior we've seen from deniers thus far is an indication), might lead to secret cults hiding, who knows what. — jorndoe
When you mistreat people like that, don't be surprised if some actually do become anti-vaccers.
— baker
People base their health care decision on how they get treated on an online forum? How stupid can some people get? — Olivier5
but to make blatantly bad choices for yourself, your family, the community, the environment, etc., simply because you’ve been made to feel stupid, or condescended to, or feel dismissed, or perceived to be looked down upon— that’s as irrational as the person is who’s doing the condescension. — Xtrix
martial law. — baker
Where we may disagree here is that choices are never just for the self. — Janus
No, this is taking the discussion in the wrong direction. — baker
Covid has a wide range of potential symptoms, ranging from nothing to death and everything inbetween. This makes it a complex disease and our response to it should reflect that responsibly both on the part of individual citizens as well as on the part of the government. — baker
An Israel study — MondoR
No, this is taking the discussion in the wrong direction.
There actually exist laws about issues of public health. The matter is largely settled, legally.
What is not legally settled are things specifically pertaining to covid, with its specifics. But many people act as if this was settled. — baker
But people generally do have an overwhelming and insurmountable fear and distrust of being abused and taken advantage of. They're just not always able to put it into exact words. — baker
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