there's the desertion paradox, that no soldier's individual contribution to the outcome of a battle is so great that he should risk injury or death, therefore every individual soldier has rational grounds for deserting, even if he wants the battle to be won. But of course if every soldier behaves that way then the battle will certainly be lost. — Srap Tasmaner
Is there not scope for me to trust some of them? — Isaac
My money is on a very different idea than yours: a good number of COVID contratians are of the opinion that we're making too big a big fuss for a few thousands deaths, that the world is fundamentally Darwinian and tough luck if the weak die. I know that because they say so online, including here. — Olivier5
this naïve profession of faith in the motives of a whole bunch of people you know nothing about. — Olivier5
to assume they at least have a narrative in which they're the heroes not the villains — Isaac
it's possible, but I can't for the life of me think why you'd start out from that assumption as a default position whilst at the same time assuming our doctors, governments and corporations have nothing but our best interests at heart. — Isaac
If something ought to be done on average, but there's some opposition, then I can see an argument that we all ought to do that thing (even if we're not part of that average), just to show solidarity, encouragement, etc... — Isaac
What you really can't do, I think, is say, here are the reasons I found persuasive but I don't you should; this is just "my truth", as the saying goes, and you have to find your own. That's (a) not playing the justification game properly, and, more importantly, (b) you actually want almost everyone to reach the opposite conclusion you did, so this is not some "to each his own" situation anyway. — Srap Tasmaner
You’re only characterising it that way. For me what it comes down to is this: your house is not built on rock; accept that you might be wrong and leave people alone. — AJJ
from that it does not follow that soldiers should start arguing against the strategy, refusing to follow orders or deserting, because the battle will be lost if enough soldiers were to follow this course. — Janus
Because the majority do think that, rightly or wrongly, and if the current strategy of vaccination were to fail it would have disastrous consequences for everyone, including you. — Janus
In my view those disastrous consequences will be effected by mistaken people incapable of admitting fault — AJJ
and the worldwide total is approaching 5 million. — Srap Tasmaner
You don’t think a side has ever fought a battle that for the world would be better lost? — AJJ
In my view those disastrous consequences will be effected by mistaken people incapable of admitting fault; people who will never truly accept that they might be wrong. — AJJ
This isn’t particularly alarming when you consider that worldwide about 60,000,000 people die each year. This virus principally affects those who are elderly and in poor health, i.e. those who would constitute a significant portion of that number anyway. — AJJ
If this battle is lost the whole world loses. — Janus
A remarkable display of compassion; well done! — Janus
Have you accepted yet that you might be wrong? — AJJ
My compassion is for those who have lost their livelihoods, their lives and lives of their children to authoritarian measures implemented and advocated for by people too stupid to have done otherwise. — AJJ
Can you give any good reason for thinking that it is likely to be wrong? — Janus
What do you think would happen if we let it rip and didn't bother with vaccination or lockdowns ? — Janus
Have you accepted yet that you might be wrong, and that you are in a much less qualified position to judge the likely outcomes than the experts? — Janus
Temporary hospital crises no worse than what we’ve had. — AJJ
My opinions are formed partly from listening to some experts over others. John Ioannidis and Sunetra Gupta being two good examples. — AJJ
You seriously beleive that this hasn't been improving as more and more people have been vaccinated? — Janus
You believe two experts against how many others? On what basis? Because you like what they say more? — Janus
If your opinions are only "partly formed" by listening to those, then what else contributes to forming them? — Janus
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