the need to "bash one's opponent on the snout." — tim wood
If you willfully participate in the ostracization of people for exercising their inalienable right to bodily autonomy, you were never a gentleman to begin with. — Tzeentch
I think there is something like hazing going on with anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and such. They paid a very heavy price by disagreeing with the obvious and looking stupid to the majority. So now they can't go back and admit they were wrong. Or all that suffering and humiliation would be for nothing. — khaled
They paid a very heavy price by disagreeing with the obvious and looking stupid to the majority. So now they can't go back and admit they were wrong. Or all that suffering and humiliation would be for nothing. — khaled
Think about it. Just how or why, exactly, do they pay any price at all? Think about what price is. You pay a price because you bought or took or used something that wasn't yours in the first place. And the price they pay? The anger and obloquy they "endure"? Why, man, they want it! They want it, they work for it, they earn it, they get it, and they want more! And when there is good reason to believe their ignorant stupidity is a threat to the general well-being, then the rest of us either have to endure the effects of that stupidity - in a pandemic unnecessary sickness and death - or fight it. And here on a website people of good will attempt to reason, but to what effect?They paid a very heavy price by disagreeing with the obvious and looking stupid to the majority. — khaled
it's doable as long as you don't give a shit -- but they won't play nice with you — Olivier5
They don't just calmly review the consensus opinion to conclude "Hmm not sure I can agree with that". No, they have chosen their camp in what they see as one of the most important battle of mankind, and they attack the other camp aggressively, and anyone defending it. Because they care. — Olivier5
Worth asking just what, exactly, they care about. I'll wager they do not know, and can only at best rant at any such question. — tim wood
Without prejudice, if you've been campaigning to inject your whole community with something which you later suspect is either unnecessary or worse, harmful, aren't you in exactly the same boat? Aren't you going to pay an even heavier price for admitting they were wrong. — Isaac
then the rest of us either have to endure the effects of that stupidity - in a pandemic unnecessary sickness and death - or fight it. — tim wood
Or their children into the classroom with your children? Or them into the community at large? No doubt at all that passive resistance is sometimes the better choice, but it cannot be the only choice. Do you let an infant make all its own choices? Of course not.Or what I think is the best approach: Passive resistance.
Don't argue with them. Don't make a big deal about it. Just don't let people into your establishment if they're antivax. — khaled
Worth asking just what, exactly, they care about. — tim wood
Problem, reaction, solution.So what the big scandal in COVID, as seen by dissenters? That's the question. — Olivier5
And where have we got? The reasonable get vaccinated; it's the right thing to do for - as a practical matter - everyone. And there was a time when most folks in the US did the reasonable and right thing. But now the stupid hold sway with outrageous and absurd conspiracy theories and ideas. It's a call to battle. Sometimes the stakes are a joke in themselves and sometimes deadly serious. — tim wood
If the catch it and die, or spread it to their own loved ones who die, well then... (gigantic shrug). Know what I mean? — Michael Zwingli
They've made their decisions. If the catch it and die, or spread it to their own loved ones who die, well then... (gigantic shrug) — Michael Zwingli
is it not the case that the madness is controlled before treatment commences? — tim wood
I agree with that. Vaccination must remains and choice and cannot be made mandatory for the general public. They can antivaccinate all they like, for what I care. — Olivier5
a technocracy. — Yohan
On the basis of what (sound) argument? In the US children have to go to school and to go to school they have to have been vaccinated. — tim wood
And given the realities of Covid, your "don't care" means you're good with your friends, family, even yourself getting possibly very sick, even dying - because some other people are stupid. — tim wood
Clarify please.the habeas corpus principle implies that you cannot force an adult — Olivier5
Yes but you cannot control everything, and it's not all about me and my dear ones. People need to make a living, kids need to mingle, and people are allowed to be stupid... My family and friends are vaccinated. I trust that we all wash hands and wear masks as need be... To the degree that we might still catch the virus and get sick, it will be chalked up to shit that happens. — Olivier5
I understand it as a law principle that says that your body is yours to decide about. I cannot decide to alter your body in any way, because it's yours not mine. — Olivier5
given the realities of Covid, your "don't care" means you're good with your friends, family, even yourself getting possibly very sick, even dying — tim wood
what makes you think your body cannot be altered against your will? — tim wood
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