I said 'other' - different facets of a unified whole. I can imagine a paramedic saying that a patient is 'conscious and aware of his surroundings'. Or he might be 'conscious but in such a state of intoxication as to be not aware of his surroundings'. — Wayfarer
In terms of technical jargon regarding the cognitive neurosciences there is a difference. In fact, what is coined as 'consciousness' and 'conscious' varies depending on the context too. — I like sushi
I consider ‘awareness’ to be a more general term, with ‘consciousness’ referring to a more complex level of awareness. — Possibility
What purpose is being aware if not to think (to process the sensory information for some purpose)? It seems that both awareness and thinking are integral parts of consciousness.I reserve awareness in reference to sensibility, but consciousness in reference to understanding. To be aware is to sense; to be conscious is to think. — Mww
It seems that both awareness and thinking are integral parts of consciousness. — Harry Hindu
You seem to be confusing imagining with thinking. Imagining is a type of thinking. Interpreting sensory data is also a type of thinking which is the type I was referring to when making my point.Being conscious of thoughts is not the same as being aware of objects, hence being aware of thoughts says nothing more than being conscious of them. — Mww
I is strange that you talk of thoughts and awareness as if they are objects (nouns). — Harry Hindu
To be aware is to sense; to be conscious is to think. — Mww
You can be aware of conscious experiences. This awareness is not a conscious experience. — EugeneW
Consciousness is conscious being” makes little sense to me. I can’t make heads or tails of it. — Xtrix
Sigh. Thoughts are nouns. Thinking is a verb. I fail to see how scribbles that are experienced just like everything else are objective representations of things that are experienced.And it is a dialectic non-starter to fail to grasp that talking about a thing is the only way to objectively represent it. Of course I talk about thinking in terms of nouns. How else would I?
As for the rest....(Sigh) — Mww
Thanks for moving the conversation past what is intellectually capable of.Different things. You can be aware of conscious experiences. This awareness is not a conscious experience. Awareness is conscious, but consciousness is conscious being. You can be aware of a conscious being without the awareness being a conscious being.
So I can be aware of red. That awareness is not an experience but an observation of. The observation of red has no color. The consciousness of red is red. — EugeneW
I reserve awareness in reference to sensibility, but consciousness in reference to understanding. To be aware is to sense; to be conscious is to think. — Mww
I don’t see why that move is justified. You can do it, of course, but it doesn’t seem to get us anywhere. — Xtrix
To be aware is to be informed by relation to ‘other’; to be conscious is to be aware at the level of potential; to sense is to be aware at the level of actuality. — Possibility
To think is one method of processing information from this level of potential. It isn’t the only one. — Possibility
To vague to be useful. Give an example of being affected by an object but don't know what that object is.This works for objects of perception, for real objects in the world which affect our sensibility. We know this from the fact we sometimes are affected by objects but don’t know what that object is. So....we are aware of an actual sensation but also conscious that what we are aware of, could be anything, so has a level of potentiality. — Mww
To be aware is to be informed by relation to ‘other’; to be conscious is to be aware at the level of potential; to sense is to be aware at the level of actuality.
— Possibility
This works for objects of perception, for real objects in the world which affect our sensibility. We know this from the fact we sometimes are affected by objects but don’t know what that object is. So....we are aware of an actual sensation but also conscious that what we are aware of, could be anything, so has a level of potentiality. — Mww
But that doesn't account for conditions of consciousness without awareness, of which there are two. One is being conscious of that for which there will never be an awareness at the level of actuality, or that of which we will be potentially aware at the level of actuality iff we ourselves cause it to become an object of perception. The former is, of course, our feelings, and the latter is things like numbers, laws, possibilities, and so on. — Mww
So....we are aware of an actual sensation but also conscious that what we are aware of, could be anything, so has a level of potentiality.
— Mww
It COULD be anything - it CAN be narrowed down (...). It’s where conceptual structures - predictions based on the relation of actual sensation/affect to past experience, knowledge, language, values, etc - come into play. — Possibility
As for numbers, laws, etc - these are conceptual structures that we develop an understanding of through a potential correlation of quantitative knowledge with qualitative experience. — Possibility
it’s just more efficient with prior knowledge of logical structure. — Possibility
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