I'd prefer that by "democratic", the EU would follow the will of most of its participants when it comes to policy. That's still a long way off. — Manuel
There's direct democracy and then there's represenative democracy. Just pointing out a useful distinction.wonder what you mean by "democratic".
It seems you mean something like "being voted into a position of power, as opposed to inheriting it or usurping it". — baker
A large part of it feels to me like a "fuck you" to the establishment, which is understandable. — Manuel
There were leftists who wanted to leave and presented decent arguments, but they could not organize effectively enough as the right did. — Manuel
The left is like herding cats and they disagree with everything and conflict with each other as much as they conflict with the right. — James Riley
In such a system, what matters the most is whose will prevails
— baker
Yes. Believe it or not, democracy is about power. — frank
Then you shouldn't fret when Trump and co. win.
Once you hold that what matters is whose will prevails, you can quit the pretense of being intelligent and just grunt. — baker
Where is the "emotional maturity" of doing politics primarily or even solely on the level of whose will prevails?? — baker
It requires enough faith in people that you can allow them to discover their own way.
Every generation faces challenges to that faith. People who want to destroy that faith abound. You're an example of a person who's never had that faith.
It's not for everyone. That's for sure. — frank
you underestimate him — baker
he's got 'em on the list;
and they'll none of 'em be missed!
--per KoKo in the Mikado.
It requires enough faith in people that you can allow them to discover their own way.
Every generation faces challenges to that faith. People who want to destroy that faith abound. You're an example of a person who's never had that faith.
It's not for everyone. That's for sure. — frank
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