That's it?I instantiate that everything in this world has a cause and effect, per the PoSR. — Shawn
In logic, it's called material implication — Shawn
Well, every cause has an effect simply because what we mean by effect in such cases is simply something that has been caused. Better to claim that science thinks "everything in this world has a cause and effect"in science it's called a cause for every effect. — Shawn
Better to claim that science thinks "everything in this world has a cause and effect" — Banno
But I don't see that as a scientific principle. Indeed, it is not hard to find uncaused events. — Banno
That something can come from absolutely nothing. We cannot conceive of how this could be possible, but it may.
But this would move us from your OP. — Manuel
How did this purely internal thing come to be? — Valentinus
If it is separated from all the other stuff, when did that happen? — Valentinus
And if one is to accept such a possibility, why bother trying to make sense of other things that are not like that if the internal thing is primary? — Valentinus
Am I mistaken on this? — Shawn
Hence it seems to me that PSR is not needed for either science nor for logic. — Banno
I understand those answers but will ask if that means you have no interest in causes, as discussed in the thread. — Valentinus
Well, going down that path, many people believed that the Earth was at the center of the universe or that the sun orbited the Earth. Strange and ungrounded beliefs. — Shawn
I believe that Quantum Mechanics, which you allude to, isn't a sufficient reason to do away with the PoSR altogether. — Shawn
SO it's not an empirical notion. — Banno
Subjective experiences are not evidential, not admissible in the Court of Mikey as evidence; the only evidence which is admissible is objective in nature, and perceptible by those other than the claimant. If an objectively perceptible proof is manifested that any God exists, then that proof must be phenomenologically physical by definition, meaning that the phenomenon cited as proof must obey the laws of physics (that is, by the laws of mechanics) and be measurable by instrumentation, and so natural, which would then render this hypothetical God a natural being...something which exists in the realm of nature. (Now, how's that for some stream of consciousness shit?)all have had profound experiences that reveal such truths to them. — Manuel
We might indeed look for a cause for any event, but we cannot assume ahead of our investigations that there must be one — Banno
But, when encountering all encompassing beliefs of notions such as God, it seems necessary to attribute the PoSR to explaining the notion that God is not needed to explain why there is something rather than nothing. — Shawn
Look at general relativity. It explains the world as interactions of reference frames. But what connects one consciousness to another is the spiritual side of us, otherwise GR leads to solipsism — Gregory
God is not needed to explain why there is something rather than nothing — Shawn
It is not necessary to present an example of an uncaused event to carry my case. That there are scientific considerations which do not rely on PSR is sufficient to show that PSR is not a principle on which science relies. — Banno
Subjective experiences are not evidential, not admissible in the Court of Mikey as evidence; the only evidence which is admissible is objective in nature, and perceptible by those other than the claimant. — Michael Zwingli
proof must be phenomenologically physical by definition, meaning that the phenomenon cited as proof must obey the laws of physics and be measurable by instrumentation, and so natural, — Michael Zwingli
But, that is not to say that every phenomenon is purposeful, just that it is caused.everything has a cause — Gregory
I'm not sure what this says.
Are you now arguing that while PSR is not needed for logic nor for science, it is needed for god?
Then do away with god. — Banno
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