God is defined as an omniscient being. — Tobias
The question is similar to the question whether God can create another God. — Tobias
Also you seem to think God exists in time similar to the way human's do and that he pries in the same way as humans pry in private affars. However God does not exist in time similar to humans as he would than be under the rule of time and hence limited. God though is an unlimited being. — Tobias
Omnibenevolence does not stand in the way of free will. He can act otherwise, but he does not, he only acts in benevolent ways. This does bring the theodicy to the fore of course. Why are there sinful things in a creation of a benevolent being? — Tobias
Some humans have tortured innocents to death, but they are in deep dookie. — Enrique
No. Of course not. — Bartricks
So, we are here because God wants us to be - and we are ignorant because God wants us to be, and we are exposed to the risk of harm such ignorance creates because God wants us to be. And why would he want us to be? Because he hates us. And why would he hate us? Because we attempted to do what he's doing to us to an innocent person or persons. — Bartricks
Omnibenevolence does not stand in the way of free will. — Tobias
Deduction: if God decides somethings as pious and somethings as sin, he, before hand, was endowed with knowledge — Vanbrainstorm
He was programmed to be this God that labels some actions as pious and others as sin. if on the rather hand he decides these things after studying human actions, the foundation by which he uses to analyze actions to label them as pious or sin, are programmed. In both cases God becomes a programmed machine. — Vanbrainstorm
So nature has no bearing on our freedom? I believe Schopenhauer said something to the effect that we had no choice on the matter of what type/kind of personality we are. Benevolence or goodness is God's nature is it not? — TheMadFool
So, God can make himself ignorant of something and thereby it will cease to be justified. God's will determines what is and isn't justified. Thus, God can be ignorant 'and' omniscient, for by making himself ignorant he reduces the domain of knowledge. — Bartricks
I do not follow you. Yes, God could create another God. God can do anything, so he can do that. — Bartricks
Yes, and yes, God does exist in time. God creates time. And God is in time. I created a jersey. And I am in the jersey. God creates time. God is in time. — Bartricks
Why are there sinful beings? Well, God didn't create them - being omnipotent does not essentially involve having created everything. And free will seems to require being uncreated. So as we have free will, it is reasonable to conclude that we are uncreated. — Bartricks
Why is there wrongdoing? Because God values people having free will and exercising it. But he doesn't allow anyone to visit harm on an innocent. Why would he? He can prevent that. So it is reasonable to suppose he does. And has. — Bartricks
God doesn't allow harm to befall innocents. Harm befalls us. We are not innocent. — Bartricks
He just knows all there is to know. The choices that people will make is something to know. therefore God knows them. — Tobias
God is causa sui, meaning cause of himself. — Tobias
Read all of scholastic philosophy up to Spinoza. — Tobias
By necessity it follows that God might create another God, but that other God is identical to itself in every aspect. — Tobias
Yes but you created that Jersey in time. — Tobias
God did not create time in time because if he did he would not have created time, time would already be there. Therefore his creation is timeless. — Tobias
Well there goes God the creator of everything... God did create all things, or they must have been created from nothing which is impossible. — Tobias
And god quite frequently seems to allow har inflicted upon and innocent... — Tobias
Of course it might be that these babies that get hurt in famine and war are in some sense guilty, but that reasoning is circular. It becomes a simple article of faith and not logic anymore. The whole point of the theodicy is to find a logical philosophically sound answer to the problem of evil. — Tobias
The whole point of the theodicy is to find a logical philosophically sound answer to the problem of evil. — Tobias
Everything gets harmed, so everything by article of faith must be guilty. The whole notion of innocence and guilt becomes meaningless — Tobias
What? No, being able to divest yourself of something is not a limitation. It's an ability. — Bartricks
Because it is possible that p, p. That's your reasoning. Possible.....therefore actual. — Bartricks
Possible also does not mean 'as likely to be true as any other possibility'. It is possible my body is made of cheese. Doesn't seem to be. — Bartricks
But not being able to maintain your Godhood without one of the Os is a limitation. — khaled
False. The line is: The opposite is just as likely, therefore your statement remains unproven. — khaled
But in my example given, the point is that both cases will result in exactly the same appearances. God could be lying, or he could not be. Either way, the appearances don’t change. So as far as you know, yes, they are just as likely. — khaled
What on earth are you on about? Show your reasoning. How the hell do you arrive at the conclusion that a person who is able to divest themselves of abilities is less powerful than one who is not? — Bartricks
And my body is just as likely to be made of cheese as not, as I cannot rule out the metaphysical possibility that it is made of cheese. — Bartricks
incidentally, stop assuming I'm wrong - that'll help. Assume I might - might - just know what I'm talking about — Bartricks
So, "I am sat on a chair right now". There. Do you have reason to think I am sat on a chair right now? — Bartricks
I told you I was sat on a chair. You have reason to believe I am sat on a chair. — Bartricks
so how do we know anything? Could be a malfunction. It's the same point! — Bartricks
It's not a point that arises specifically for my kind of view about Reason. It's a general point about how we know anything about anything. — Bartricks
Now, our reason tells us things. Whatever our reason tells us, we have default reason to believe to be the case.
I must have said this about 100 times now. — Bartricks
Not everything gets harmed. The guilty get harmed. God exists and would not allow it to be any other way. — Bartricks
The devil, if he exists, is also the will of God. — SolarWind
It does not.
But it seems to contradict the all-goodness. — SolarWind
Well, it actually does contradict his being good only. He just wants evil to exist for the good to be contrasted with. Good deeds will become meaningless if there are no bad deeds too. In his omnibenevolency the guy did a good job. — Verdi
If the "only good" would not exist, then heaven would not exist either. And that is supposed to be good par excellence. — SolarWind
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