Heidegger calls "Dasein" an "existential title" - it is an objectivized form of the subject with strong connotations to Hegel. It is literally a "being there" and at it's core a reflection. — Heiko
Do you think a fight between a rightwing supporter of Trump and a far left supporter of critical race theory occurs against the backdrop of overwhelming agreement about the world? — Joshs
Sure. But my point is that it was necessary for him to introduce such a term, to distinguish the mode of being for the human from mere existence, in my view. — Wayfarer
Or it can be what you see in a mirror. For me reflection is more like self-description, self-observation or anything where you are "your own object". You cannot write about yourself without reflecting. — Heiko
The Dasein does not need a special kind of observation, nor does it need to conduct a sort of espionage on the ego in order to have the self; rather, as the Dasein gives itself over immediately and passionately to the world itself, its own self is reflected to it from things.”
— Joshs
So, which things, do you think, told Heidegger that about his Dasein? — Heiko
Karl Jaspers' Dasein and Existenz
For Karl Jaspers, the term Dasein meant existence in its most minimal sense, the realm of objectivity and science, in opposition to what Jaspers called "Existenz", the realm of authentic being.[20]: 47 Due to the drastically different use of the term Dasein between the two philosophers, there is often some confusion in students who begin with either Heidegger or Jaspers and subsequently study the other.
In Philosophy (3 vols, 1932), Jaspers gave his view of the history of philosophy and introduced his major themes. Beginning with modern science and empiricism, Jaspers points out that as we question reality, we confront borders that an empirical (or scientific) method can simply not transcend. At this point, the individual faces a choice: sink into despair and resignation, or take a leap of faith toward what Jaspers calls "Transcendence". In making this leap, individuals confront their own limitless freedom, which Jaspers calls Existenz, and can finally experience authentic existence.
Why? I'd say that is correct. Heidegger uses the term throughout the book in the way he does. I just pointed out that he chose that term because it does not have any conrete determinations and not because he wanted it determined as human existence, if you understand.Is that wrong? Ought we to edit it? — Wayfarer
They'll both put the car in park, turn off the engine, get out, stick a card in the machine, put card back in wallet, pump gas, replace the gas cap, blah blah blah, even if one is headed to a Trump rally and the other to a Sanders rally. That's what I mean — Srap Tasmaner
Honestly, I do not see why you come up with memory in this context. If you say my intent to move, reflected by the mirror as movement, is just a memory of itself, then what is not memory? Do you mean to say I would not know where I am without memory? Maybe. But when I move my hand along the mirror and it's reflection also moves, where is memory involved? I see both things move simultanously.When you look in a mirror in order to reflect on yourself you are studying an object ( the image of yourself) and comparing it with your memory of another object( your recollection of your sense of your self. — Joshs
That’s Hegel , not Heidegger. Big difference between the two here. Nothing undetermined about Heidegger’s Dasein. — Joshs
So, are there beings other than human beings whose existence can be described in terms of 'dasein'? — Wayfarer
But who was talking about that? We talked about the intention for chosing that term — Heiko
Even the rituals surrounding pumping gas reflect the superordinate differences in worldview between people — Joshs
There is no pre-determined plan for this unfolding It is not a dialectic. — Joshs
So, are there beings other than human beings whose existence can be described in terms of 'dasein'?
— Wayfarer
What do you mean? Heidegger describes human existence. — Heiko
Yes, the same action can carry different meanings. — Srap Tasmaner
Pre-determined is not the same as determined. — Wayfarer
Being-there comes from being in the world. The central focus for Heidegger has always been Being. That is, a questioning of the word ‘is’ that we stick between subject and predicate as some sort of neutral glue. — Joshs
Dasein has to be what it is. Whenever you determine something, it is and can only be an "object".My point remains that you are treating ‘self’ here as an object in the world. — Joshs
Even the rituals surrounding pumping gas reflect the superordinate differences in worldview between people
— Joshs
Except that they really don't seem to. You can work alongside someone for years, or see them at the grocery store every few days, and never have any idea what their political or religious (or ...) views are. — Srap Tasmaner
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