It's mostly the young folks with open... — Pierre-Normand
When those research programs become "degenerative" (Imre Lakatos), then those scientists often are happy to ignore more productive areas of research, and they keep on hammering screws with a sledgehammer. — Pierre-Normand
I am also questioning the reductionist assumption that material composition of the ordinary objects of the human and natural worlds are any more fundamental or determinative than other equally significant (in point both of definition and behavioral determination) formal and relational features of them. — Pierre-Normand
I am also questioning the reductionist assumption that material composition of the ordinary objects of the human and natural worlds are any more fundamental or determinative than other equally significant (in point both of definition and behavioral determination) formal and relational features of them. — Pierre-Normand
I am rather arguing that such material sciences aren't any different from other sciences in point of reliance on (often merely tacit and uncritical) interpretation of the scope of their claims (e.g. the interpretation of their "laws", and of what would constitute falsification of then, or admissible auxiliary hypotheses, or genuine boundaries of the domain of the specific science, — Pierre-Normand
So, some scientists do this and others do that. Those who do this tend to be older that those who do that. Got it. — Frederick KOH
I was responding to your claim that "The last time things became degenerative, physicists rushed to the new paradigm." — Pierre-Normand
When those research programs become "degenerative" (Imre Lakatos), then those scientists often are happy to ignore more productive areas of research, and they keep on hammering screws with a sledgehammer. — Pierre-Normand
Put in such general terms, it is true to the point of banality. — Frederick KOH
What is true to the point of banality is a fortiori true. — Pierre-Normand
And I was responding to your claim that... — Frederick KOH
Yes, and you didn't contradict it, whereas mine was contradicting yours. — Pierre-Normand
then those scientists often are happy to ignore more productive areas of research, and they keep on hammering screws with a sledgehammer — Pierre-Normand
You also still are dodging the main point regarding the inevitability of an at least tacitly understood background of conceptual practice and shared concerns and interests for sustaining claims of scientific objectivity. — Pierre-Normand
When something is banal , its the banal and not the a fortiori that people notice. — Frederick KOH
In the generation that included Bohr and Heisenberg and many more. You are contradicting reality. — Frederick KOH
You seem to need a caricature for banal arguments to be effective against. — Frederick KOH
But I am dissapointed Steven Weinberg is not on your list.
I suggest you fight him instead of shadow boxing. He is good on reductionism. You want a real fight, fight him. — Frederick KOH
Good luck finding that opponent outside of the junior leagues. — Frederick KOH
this is more of a historical period — Moliere
Rorty and His Critics, Brandom ed. — Pierre-Normand
His defense of reductionism, though, is fairly naive, philosophically uninformed, and sharply contradicts the pluralistic/pragmatist viewpoints that I have defended here and that you claim to be "banal". — Pierre-Normand
Actually I brought up Bouveresse v Rorty earlier in the thread - also in the volume. This debate is more "classical" in terms what you would expect in a realist v postmodernist fight. — Frederick KOH
But most of them had (or still have) an obfuscatory style of writing — jkop
There is no self-sufficient and uninterpreted use of the formalism of quantum theory that can be of any use in making predictions of empirical observations. — Pierre-Normand
doing washing machine settings based on what the manual says — Frederick KOH
There is no such thing as "this debate"... — Pierre-Normand
I thought you might have been open to considering Rorty's own views regarding reductionism. — Pierre-Normand
My eyes glaze over when I see claims like this, these critiques, when unpacked and compared with the exact words actually said by the target, usually show themselves to be talking about something else from what philosophically mature scientists mean. — Frederick KOH
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