 Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
          Mww
Mww         
         But our interaction with the rest of the world establishes that our perception of it is valid enough for there to be no concern, except perhaps for those who are naive enough to think otherwise. — Ciceronianus
 Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
         Would I be naive, in thinking there is no concern, at least generally speaking, because our perceptions are valid enough to establish our interactions with the rest of the world? — Mww
 Mww
Mww         
          baker
baker         
         But our interaction with the rest of the world establishes that our perception of it
is valid enough for there to be no concern, except perhaps for those who are naive enough to think otherwise. — Ciceronianus
 NOS4A2
NOS4A2         
          Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
         The problem is thst a naive realist takes for granted that the same that goes for observing tables and chairs also goes for humans, for moral/ethical issues. To a naive realist, a sentence like
This chair has four legs
is epistemically the same as
Women are essentially inferior to men
or
Henry is an evil person.
or
Witches should be burnt at the stakes.
A naive realist talks about moral issues with the same certainty as he talks about tables and chairs. Do you see any problem with that? — baker
 Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
         If they were to extend the limits of their self to the boundaries of the body, the implication that there is a barrier or buffer or Cartesian theater between them and the rest of the world begins to dissolve. — NOS4A2
 unenlightened
unenlightened         
          Banno
Banno         
          Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
         Like I said,
A naive realist talks about moral issues with the same certainty as he talks about tables and chairs. — baker
 Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
         Thank you, Tully. for providing something so agreeably sweet to accompany my morning coffee. — Banno
 Joshs
Joshs         
          Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
         I hesitate to question your historical expertise — unenlightened
But as a naive realist I would admit that our senses and our understanding and our recollection are all imperfect, and this leaves plenty of room for disagreement - though in practice arguments about how many legs a particular chair has are pretty rare. and tend to turn on semantic niceties such as whether a leg that has fallen off the chair still counts as a leg of the chair which is a conflict of ideas, not of realities.
What I wonder is how there can be evidence that the senses are false that does not rely on those very senses. — unenlightened
 Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
         Naive realism simply isnt backed up by recent research in perceptual psychology or the more sophisticated thinking in A.I. — Joshs
 Joshs
Joshs         
         So the chair I see (and sit on) isn't or may not be the chair I see (and sit on)? — Ciceronianus
 unenlightened
unenlightened         
         Naive realism simply isnt backed up by recent research in perceptual psychology or the more sophisticated thinking in A.I. — Joshs
 Banno
Banno         
         External world: idealism, skepticism, or non-skeptical realism?
Accept or lean toward: non-skeptical realism 760 / 931 (81.6%)
Other 86 / 931 (9.2%)
Accept or lean toward: skepticism 45 / 931 (4.8%)
Accept or lean toward: idealism 40 / 931 (4.3%) — PhilPapers Survey
 Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
          Joshs
Joshs         
         If that's true, in what sense, and to what extent, should we be doubting ourselves and our ability to understand and interact with the world in which we live? How does it prevent us from doing what we do everyday, every moment? — Ciceronianus
 Ciceronianus
Ciceronianus         
          Manuel
Manuel         
          Paine
Paine         
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