same with the brain — Miller
As I've noted, I've been perplexed by your discussions of semiotics from the first time I read your posts. Certainly nothing wrong with your explanations. It's just an alien way of thinking for me. It sometimes seems to verge on the mystical, which I understand is not your intent. — T Clark
When you say "neural firing must somehow produce an experienced representation," is that different from saying that the experienced representation emerges from neuronal firing. In your view, is that wrong too? — T Clark
The difference between a TV is that a working brain provides you with a conscious world. A working brain cannot be seen outside a living body. Every working TV set or functioning computer, no matter how complicated or however intelligent artificially made, and no matter in what artificial robot body placed, are just media through which information is pushed under the influence of voltage and program. — Cartuna
As I noted, we are just repeating arguments that haven't convinced the other in previous posts. I say "un hunh." You say "nunh hunh." Nuff said. — T Clark
However complicated the strucures are, they still need stuff out of which the patterns and structures are formed. — Cartuna
Here you presuppose that it produces consciousness. — Cartuna
If one elementary particle is just matter, why shouldn't a highly structured bunch of them not just be that? — Cartuna
Yes I am unable to explain consciousness. Because it isn't explainable. — Cartuna
So overall this leaves us with two options, either consciousness as well as qualia are fundamental properties, or the laws of nature can not all be described mathematically. — tom111
Well the structure is what shapes the material stuff that it needs. — apokrisis
Ah! There you make a naive, but understandable mistake.Structures don't flow independently somewhere to create the material it needs. The structure lies in the matter itself. — Cartuna
So when it comes to the Standard Model of particle physics, the group symmetry doesn’t limit the material possibilities? — apokrisis
For example, in the strong interaction SU(3) was chosen and not U(3). — Cartuna
Are relations between stuffs or between nothings? — litewave
brain is programed by genetics and then environment. there is nothing else. — Miller
your feelings are irrelevant. free will is an illusion caused by ignorance
Complete self recursion is impossible, this is what causes the hard problem of consciousness, the illusion of free will, and the ego. — Miller
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