It is funny how law does shape the mindset of the people. For the posters from the US, arresting armed protesters near rallies of the opposing partes is anathema, a clear violation of rights of protest and arguable the second amendment. Not arresting them is anathema though to the posters from Europe. — Tobias
It's more that a suggestion that we put aside the rule of law is anathema (if that's not what your were initially doing , I apologize, but it seemed like it). — frank
How in hell are you going to fight the War on Christmas if you can't afford the ammo? — James Riley
That, my friend, is the right question. — Dr. Lanning (I Robot)
For me, keeping the sreets safe from vigilantism is exactly that, upholding the rule of law, it is the rule of law not of man and therefore, it is up to the state to protect the rights of each of us equally :) What you are doing is presupposing one interpretation of the rule of law as 'the rule of law', but no European lawyer would agree with you that that is what the rule of law requires. Here too we see the same anathema, concepts which seem to mean the same are interpreted very differently. — Tobias
The child rapist who first attacked Rittenhouse assumed, wrongly, that Rittenhouse wouldn’t defend himself. — NOS4A2
You can't arrest someone because you think they're about to become a vigilante. You have to wait until they actually have done it. — frank
Toting a shotgun across your back would be equally intimidating. — Hanover
No, you do not. In fact that is a very unwise course of action in such a siuation. In the Netherlands a mayor would immediately issue an emergency ordnance prohibiting people carrying fire arms from the city center. — Tobias
However, this is what happens when protests threaten to spiral out of control — Tobias
Old school shootouts are in order. — Hanover
This one didn't threaten. It spiraled. Stores were closed across the US afterward because looting for the fun of it had become a thing. — frank
That would make sense. You can see how the failure of local governments to protect life and property shouldn't affect our judgement if Rittenhouse, right? — frank
Were I to wield one out on the town, I might just get picked up by the cops. — jorndoe
So in the Netherlands, they would convict someone of manslaughter for an action that was in direct defense of the defendant's life? — frank
So in the Netherlands, they would convict someone of manslaughter for an action that was in direct defense of the defendant's life? — frank
A key difference is that, in your analogy, an actual crime is being committed by the rapist, whereas the attempts to disarm R were to mitigate the threat of a crime, one which, in the end, R would be found not guilty of anyway due to staggering and wilful cognitive dissonance. — Kenosha Kid
Another strat. indeed would be to argue that the protesters acted in legitimate self defense. If they did than the defendent's claim would not fly. — Tobias
The paramedic was armed, believed (rightly) R to be an active shooter, and had good reason to draw his gun faced with a still-armed shooter. — Kenosha Kid
So the paramedic was just like Rittenhouse. — frank
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