My problem is that I see almost everything as completely pointless and this has profoundly affected my happiness. — Nicholas Mihaila
If he did I'm flattered :lol: — john27
This is not what nihilism is, based on the definition I provided above. — Alkis Piskas
Believing in universal and objective values, maybe do not give life a meaning but make it stronger, more solid. Such values are based on logic (rational thinking), which is the best tool that Man disposes and which makes them mentally healthy human beings. This must be never underestimated! — Alkis Piskas
It became like a bell that would be sounded whenever I thought about doing something, letting me know what a waste of effort it would be. — Judaka
If you dance, do you want get from one place to another ? Or are you enjoying a movement
If you listen a good music, do you want music to get to the end fast ? Or you enjoying it in process ? — Nothing
There are many intellectual paths one could take in life, however your subconscious is now telling you that yours has led you to a dead end and it's telling you through depression.
A nihilistic philosophy is almost certain to be dissonant with the human experience. Humans simply experience things as having value, whether we're able to objectively confirm that or not. — Tzeentch
Perhaps an interesting thought could be, why you prefer to take a nihilistic outlook on life, which is just as uncertain of a supposition as an outlook that claims things do have value. — Tzeentch
I've yet to meet a person whose professed views entirely contradict their lived experience in which it does not lead to them becoming miserable. — Tzeentch
You want a legacy but are guaranteed none. — Kenosha Kid
Yes, I read that. And, by this occasion, I also found dozens of other definitions. Only https://www.yourdictionary.com/nihilism has 10 of them!This is from Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy: "Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated." — Nicholas Mihaila
Right. Rational people can be unhappy and irrational people happy. But as a rule, rationality indicates mental sanity and more control over the mind, in comparison to lack of logic/rational thinking and, even worse, irrationality. People with high IQ are certainly known as more happy. And there are a lot of reasons for that.I'm not sure that rationality leads to happiness though. — Nicholas Mihaila
I have read Schopenhauer way in the past. From what I remember, he was a pessimist, right? Well, he might be gifted with rational thinking, but most probably he fell into "traps". He must have erred at some point on the road. False assumptions can be created very easily even by thinking rationally. And we know where false assumptions can lead ...the smartest people I've known are usually not the happiest. Schopenhauer was brilliant, but he was far from happy — Nicholas Mihaila
My conclusion: Pessimism does not entail unhappiness; neither optimism, happiness. — Alkis Piskas
:up:My conclusion: Pessimism does not entail unhappiness; neither optimism, happiness — Alkis Piskas
I've often styled myself a cheerful pessimist since my expectations are almost always worse than whatever actually happens. (Epictetus). This stance, however, is not optimism. A happy warrior is not an optimist (Marcus Aurelius). — 180 Proof
Pessimism does not entail unhappiness; neither optimism, happiness. — Alkis Piskas
Just for the record, if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is there to hear it, it absolutely does not make a sound. Rather, it makes a series of vibrations in the air. IF and ONLY IF someone is there to hear it, the vibrations become what we understand as sound. — SatmBopd
In regards to your main point, I have never seen things the way do you so there is only so much I can understand- do not want to come off as insensitive - but I have always found innumerable ways to either be happy, or better yet, not even need to be happy to be fulfilled and content. — SatmBopd
It does not matter how all encompassing or inevitable a source of suffering is, if I can situate myself in opposition to it, and muster the strength to even try to confront it, then I have something engaging to do. — SatmBopd
Stoicism is another option, although I don't think it is quite as cool as heroism. — SatmBopd
Whatever hopes were shattered at their death are rekindled with the beat of every waking heart and in the eyes of little children. If they only knew that the sun still rises, as beautiful as it did for the Egyptians, the Greeks, and the Tang. — SatmBopd
If you really think nothing matters, there is a very VERY VERY small chance that you would tell me that nothing mattered. If its all just the same, why not tell me that everything matters? — SatmBopd
You value nihilism as long as you want to uphold it, which is not nihilism. — SatmBopd
:up:I've often styled myself a cheerful pessimist since my expectations are almost always worse than whatever actually happens. (Epictetus). This stance, however, is not optimism. A happy warrior is not an optimist (Marcus Aurelius) — 180 Proof
Of course, it can be defensive optimism, people lowering their expectations as a method of emotional protection (i.e. be prepared for the worst, etc.) But it can well be also consequential, based on reason, and indicate facing reality. For example, from the time when drugs (narcotics) started to be promoted in the 60's until today, we have been witnessing an enormous increase in their use and devastating effects. During these 70 years could --and can still-- people not be pessimistic about the evolution of events regarding drugs? Being optimistc on the subject --that this situation will be soon over, as if by magic or miracle, etc.-- means only turning a blind eye to and suppressing the problem. It goes the same with violence, suicides and all the plights our societies are going through today.The working term is defensive pessimism. — baker
But this is exactly what should make us free and should be considered as a leverage for happiness, not an obstacle. That free us from all the idiot unnecessary social stress we have. Life itself is nothing but a joke. We humans just take it too serious. — dimosthenis9
People with high IQ are certainly known as more happy. — Alkis Piskas
From what I remember, he was a pessimist, right? — Alkis Piskas
Yes, I am sure. But note that I have not made a research on the subject. What I said was from my own observations and evaluations of a lot of people I have known well through time and known personalities with high IQ (geniouses or not) the work and life of whom I know well and which can tell a lot about their emotional state.People with high IQ are certainly known as more happy.
— Alkis Piskas
Are you sure? I've never observed this. Genius IQ's in my family are normal, but so is depression. Maybe it's beneficial to an extent and then detrimental thereafter (in terms of achieving happiness). — Nicholas Mihaila
I would be interested to know about that. Do you have some examples or rationale on that?It just seems likely some inverse correlation with IQ and happiness beyond a certain level — Nicholas Mihaila
It's an interesting subject, indeed.You piqued my curiosity though. I'm gonna see if I can dig up some data to shed light on the subject. — Nicholas Mihaila
Do you have some examples or rationale on that? — Alkis Piskas
Yes, I guess so. But religiosity --deep religious beliefs w/o rational support-- often works like a crutch. It helps people escape reality. I know also some people who avoid or even refuse to hear bad news or stories and want only positive things in their life. They are overoptimistic. They seem happy, but they aren't. These people can very easily turn into anger and hate when they are facing the truth. The truth that actually resides in them but it is covered, negated.Religiosity has been clearly linked with happiness and fulfillment, but religiosity also varies inversely with IQ. — Nicholas Mihaila
I believe you refer to religiosity ...At some point its shortcomings become so overwhelmingly obvious — Nicholas Mihaila
I don't think so. Rationality can never lead to mental illness. Irrattionality can, if it's not already present.Those who possess very high IQ's are also more likely to be socially isolated and experience certain types of mental illness. — Nicholas Mihaila
Those who possess very high IQ's are also more likely to be socially isolated and experience certain types of mental illness.
— Nicholas Mihaila
I don't think so. — Alkis Piskas
Rationality can never lead to mental illness.
An unethical person can never be happy. Criminals are certainly not.
OK. I have not studied the subject. There must be certainly some truth in all that. But I am not interested in or going to study the subject. But I am willing and interested to hear about a rationale and examples in life --typical and enough of them-- that prove that high IQ is connected to unhappiness. For the moment. this sounds just a crazy idea, to me.Superior IQs are associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests ... etc. — baker
But I am willing and interested to hear about a rationale and examples in life --typical and enough of them-- that prove that high IQ is connected to unhappiness. — Alkis Piskas
BTW, happiness has a lot to do with ethics. An unethical person can never be happy. Criminals are certainly not. Criminality is insanity. And ethics have to do with reason and logic. I am not talking about "constructed" morality, religious or other. But ethics based on rational foundations. (See "philosophy of ethics".) — Alkis Piskas
I believe you refer to religiosity ... — Alkis Piskas
BTW, happiness has a lot to do with ethics. — Alkis Piskas
If you have to function among people who are less rational than you, you will probably run into a lot of problems. — baker
I have also explained why "an unethical person can never be happy." — Alkis Piskas
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