I'm reading the novel Jurassic Park by the late Michael Crichton. In it the gigantic T. Rex is a problem no doubt but its the much smaller Velociraptors that are the real killers; heck, even the Procompsognathids manage to put a child in hospital.
— TheMadFool
Rhetoric only hurts if the audience takes the bait. Work is necessary to survive. But the assumption is that this is good in the first place. You immediately end the conversation to question this necessity of life or life itself by saying it’s juvenile. Bypass all thinking and just tar and feather. — schopenhauer1
I was once in the past a boy, once a girl, once a tree
Once too a bird, and once a silent fish in the sea — Empedocles (Metempsychosis)
Trying to explain things is basically the best way to understand them I would say. Even if you make a hash of it you can at least build on your next attempt.
I really don't see how talking about the physics definition of 'work' fits into this specific topic? — I like sushi
You immediately end the conversation to question this necessity of life or life itself by saying it’s juvenile. — schopenhauer1
Do you see a differentiation with a plutocrat that that invented a new product... — schopenhauer1
...and ones that just found themselves as heads of industry by luck? The ones that invented something, will say they are getting their just reward and providing jobs for the little people to [sell, train, support, install, account for the money of, transport, warehouse, market, website maintain, develop further product development], of the product they started. — schopenhauer1
First, creativity, invention, and innovation depend on the creative, intellectual, and physical labor of many predecessors without which there would be nothing new. The Macintosh Computer rested on a century's worth of technological development. Science and industry are inherently social activities which gradually accumulate potential for new technology. — Bitter Crank
Second, if there is to be a fortune made from new technology (like personal computers) the inventor depends on the socially accumulated wealth of bankers and investors who are willing to gamble on making a product a reality, and perhaps a success, in exchange for a payoff. Without financial investors, there would be no iPhones, no music streaming, no Teslas, no airplanes, no televisions, no LED lights, no railroads, no nothing. — Bitter Crank
Everything that is made today depends on social accumulation of knowledge and wealth. Specific individuals (like Steve Jobs or Elon Musk) capitalize on what others have built previously--and 99% of the accumulation was produced by working people. — Bitter Crank
They would say that. They might also say (but will not) that their fortune depends on all the jobs "the little people" did -- "sell, train, support, install, account for the money of, transport, warehouse, market, website maintain, develop further product development]". Without all the workers' efforts, there would be no fortune, no reward. — Bitter Crank
But if you ask, "Is this a good system?" I am emotionally and rationally compelled to answer, "Absolutely not!" and argue for a system which distributes reward for both fizzy creativity and mud-slogging work fairly. A fair and equitable distribution of rewards for work is possible, and it doesn't look like our capitalist system. — Bitter Crank
they would just say that this... — schopenhauer1
The inventor entrepreneur will just say... — schopenhauer1
they will thank the little people... — schopenhauer1
But the Lords will say that... — schopenhauer1
The bourgeoisie have all sorts of justifications to cover their operations. They will keep repeating their self-justifications until the world is an unlivable hothouse and we are all dead. — Bitter Crank
becoming completely self-sufficient. — I like sushi
I haven't known many people who are willing to work hard to get what they want; not physically and not mentally. I have known a great many that want to win the lottery, would like a giant inheritance, etc. but work for it? Damned few. I would suggest that the system we are in is less flawed than we like to think. The players are flawed perhaps more than the system. — Book273
become more self-sufficient — I like sushi
If you want to play guitar all day rather than build something "productive" — schopenhauer1
It just goes on and on. Eventually you reach a piper that has to be paid, even after swindling, dodging, or doing worse to those before. — Outlander
Why not step your game and remove workers from the system? Why go through attrition by not making more workers (antinatalism) when one could simple remove (murder) already existing workers? Would that not in truth save these poor unfortunates from further toil and suffering. even more so because they have been deluded into believing they are happy with their toil, those poor unfortunate bastards! Poison the water as rebellion! — Book273
it’s more important not to force more workers than to gain some kind of utility from the shitty system — schopenhauer1
All we can do is make work look like a virtue so some people can buy into it — schopenhauer1
Like it or not the person who can at least plant a crop they have to eat to live, gets to stay compared to someone who just eats it and tries to convince they're of equal value to the other guy. — Outlander
No I'll admit there's a thousand things wrong with the current capitalist system, most of which have at least some form or remedy or at least attention to but, this premise of greater effort =/= greater gain is kinda.. I dunno man without getting into too grizzly detail, simply put it didn't sit well with folks. — Outlander
this premise of greater effort =/= greater gain is kinda.. I dunno man without getting into too grizzly detail, simply put it didn't sit well with folks. — Outlander
I can't quite tell whether you are caricaturing the ruling class, or giving them your obeisance on bended knees. If you are on your knees, get the fuck up this instant! — Bitter Crank
The economy of a successful country requires the efforts of almost everyone. The queen of a beehive, ant hill, or termite mound is but one role of many essential workers. Does the hive die if the queen dies? No. The workers have the ability to create new queens.
In the same way, the rich "kings and queens" of a country can drop dead without the economy screeching to a halt, because the economy has so many essential operators. 128 million workers -- including everyone keep the train on the track and it's wheels turning. — Bitter Crank
my answer is simply to not HAVE more workers in the first place, as the problem is intractable. A "worker's paradise" seems like a contradiction in terms. It's like "prison paradise" or something. — schopenhauer1
Would you think that if workers got more benefits and holidays, the more existential situation surrounding work is resolved? — schopenhauer1
American workers work more hours and receive far shorter holidays than European workers — Bitter Crank
What will you do if we let you go home
And the plastic's all melted
And so is the chrome?
What will you do when the label comes off
And the plastic's all melted
And the chrome is too soft?
What will you do if the people you knew
Were the plastic that melted
And the chromium too?
Consumption drives 70% of American GDP. — Bitter Crank
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