So, if you ask 'where's the pub?' and I say 'I think it's at the end of the road', I'm implying that my belief is neither justified nor true?
If so, why on earth would I have said it? — Isaac
So if something is ‘justified’ it is ‘true’? — I like sushi
How do we determine what the 'strict meaning' of sentence is outside of its use? — Isaac
It is very simple for me to point out that WE DON’T KNOW EITHER WAY. — I like sushi
there's a difference in meaning between "it is raining" and "I believe that it is raining". The former is a statement about the weather, and is true if it is raining. The latter is a statement about my belief, and can be true even if it is not raining. — Michael
'I know it's raining'
...differ from...
'it's raining'? — Isaac
Because, arguably, none of our beliefs are justified, and so the second condition isn't met. — Michael
But that means that the claim 'I know it's raining' contains the claim 'it's raining', which itself can never be anything more than the claim 'I believe it's raining', which is just the first part of the claim. — Isaac
That is my point. — I like sushi
"It is raining" doesn't mean the same thing as "I believe that it is raining". — Michael
The same way most people do. The world isn't just what I believe it to be. Sometimes the things I believe turn out to be wrong. — Michael
But that doesn’t make them true. Truth is not, as far as we know, existent in reality. It is an abstract concept. — I like sushi
You appear to be talking about facts rather than what is true. — I like sushi
Which is the case precisely raised by Moore's paradox. — sime
Note the position of the quotation marks. — Isaac
But this latter state cannot ever be ascertained — Isaac
Whether or not the Earth is flat is not an abstract concept. Whether or not the Earth is flat "exists" in reality. Whether or not the Earth is flat is independent on what anyone believes. — Michael
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