Why would you suggest that? The souls of the very first humans were united to their bodies, even though they did not have original sin. — aletheist
Sure, but that involves some equivocation on what we mean by "good" and "evil." We all bear the image of God, which makes us good; but that image is corrupted in all of us, which makes us evil. — aletheist
I didn't say "actualization", don't misquote me. I said "actuality". — Metaphysician Undercover
You are simply trying to dismiss the dualist premise by saying that all actualities are necessarily activities, and therefore time dependent. The dualist doesn't believe that all actualities are time dependent, that's how we can talk about eternal things. — Metaphysician Undercover
There is much that remains unknown to human beings, Why would you think that admitting so much is a "cop out"? — Metaphysician Undercover
Would you prefer to pretend that human beings know all there is to know? — Metaphysician Undercover
If logic indicates that it is possible that there is something outside of time, why not accept this as a real possibility, instead of closing your mind to what logic indicates? — Metaphysician Undercover
If you think that choosing presupposes time, then you do not understand the nature of immaterial existence. — Metaphysician Undercover
No, I'm not. I'm talking about existing things. For them to exist, they have to become actualized, according to you, that is, they must become "informed," yes? If so, then how is that process not in time? — Thorongil
Oh, really? Then explain the following remarks you make:
"Prior to creation, God did not have to create."
"When an individual sees X as good, one acts on that."
"It is only after the act occurs that we can say that the individual saw X as good."
"It is the "seeing X as good" which causes the act." — Thorongil
The idea that God is good is an anthropomorphic idea, based on what human beings value as good. — Marchesk
But the idea that God is the kind of being who can appear on a hypothetical chariot - I suppose it would be a helicopter nowadays - and command malefactors to 'cease and desist' is a caricature of the idea. God is not a movie director, or a super-hero, or even a super-parent. I'm sure the allegory of 'father' is just that - an allegory. — Wayfarer
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