It is an exercise in religion-bashing, and the seeking of self-satisfaction that' us atheists are far more humane than those beastly Christians and Muslims could ever be'. So I don't think I'll play along. — Wayfarer
Of course nearly everyone here will then join the pile on. It is an exercise in religion-bashing, and the seeking of self-satisfaction that 'us atheists are far more humane than those beastly Christians and Muslims could ever be'. So I don't think I'll play along. — Wayfarer
grave concern over the hideous barbarism and nasty judgement of so much religious writing and practice. — Tom Storm
Those who do not believe in god, when they die, will be cast into eternal torment.
This is a punishment out of all proportion with the offence.
Christians hold that the person who inflicts this unjust punishment - God - is worthy of worship.
So what is one to make of the moral character of folk who hold someone who tortures folk unjustly in the highest esteem? — Banno
I'm not sure Christians say or believe any of this. Cite? (Lots of people who call themselves Christians do say this, but they're not Christians.)Those who do not believe in god, when they die, will be cast into eternal torment.
Christians hold that the person who inflicts this unjust punishment - God - is worthy of worship. — Banno
That’s just your mortal judgment. You can’t begin to conceive how God judges stuff. — praxis
I'm not sure Christians say or believe any of this. Cite? (Lots of people who call themselves Christians do say this, but they're not Christians.) — tim wood
So what is one to make of the moral character of folk who hold someone who tortures folk unjustly in the highest esteem? — Banno
And what we have at hand indicates that god is evil. — Banno
Exactly. :up:'God loves you; but you will burn in hell for atheism.' Anyone advocating such a Mafia-boss, protection racket style of deity is complicit in perpetuating a cycle of cruelty and abuse. — Tom Storm
So what is one to make of the moral character of folk who hold someone who tortures folk unjustly in the highest esteem?
If you made the acquaintance of someone who thought highly of a person who tortured dogs as a hobby, would you befriend them? Ought you associate with them? — Banno
That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more abundantly they are permitted to see the punishment of the damned in hell. — Aquinas
In that day true and full happiness shall be the lot of none but the good, while deserved and supreme misery shall be the portion of the wicked, and of them only. — Augustine
I think we should judge other’s moral character based on the totality of their actions. Beliefs, in and of themselves, do not cause harm. So their beliefs are irrelevant. Even if we take things a step further and say that this belief causes them to ridicule, belittle, etc. atheists, that alone isn’t enough evidence to judge their moral character. Perhaps they also believe in giving to the poor, forgiving others their trespasses, etc. Are we to exclude these other, more noble, moral beliefs when we judge them? — Pinprick
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