Well, yours and mine, if you like. I say a god who inflicts infinite torture for finite offences is not worthy of worship. What say you? — Banno
Sometimes the obvious does need to be stated, so than you for stating it. Thanks also for taking some time to understand the argument and the personality of the philosopher involved. Few others appear to have done as much.I don't think you can make the generalization that the people who worship the Christian God, for example, have a diminished character. — Sam26
and...that what is meant by just or unjust, good and evil, is based on God himself. — Sam26
...God has good reasons which are unknown to us... — Sam26
And that's exactly the reason that in other threads, that we debated about Christianity and God, I try to convince you that it is just a human invention. — dimosthenis9
Those who do not believe in god, when they die, will be cast into eternal torment. — Banno
Sure, but this is not what is in question here. Rather, it is that Christians believe god punishes those who displease him with eternal torture; that this is unjust; that nevertheless Christians consider God worthy of worship; and that hence Christians show themselves to be of poor moral character. — Banno
he is a big thug — god must be atheist
I took it as given that this was part of the OP. — Tom Storm
So please stop your habit of picking on me. — god must be atheist
You seem to be conflating moral injunctions and the law. — Janus
Perhaps not, but there are acts which are considered by some to be moral infractions which are not illegal; so there is no equivalence. — Janus
I don't get into interpersonal scraps on line, sorry GMBA. When I respond, have something to say in return or, if you don't like it, ignore it. — Tom Storm
Banno sees this as a reason to view Christians who revere god as morally failing; I see them as intimidated people who worship out of fear, not out of reverence or admiration for their god. — god must be atheist
Those who do not believe in god, when they die, will be cast into eternal torment. — Banno
I generally hold that these two are foundational and abundantly obvious to most discussions of Christian belief. The first key moral failing of God being his protection racket Mafia boss approach. — Tom Storm
Perhaps the trite nature of most of the replies here, which do not address the article, has misled you into thinking the article itself trite. That would be an error. — Banno
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. — Matthew6:18
I say a god who inflicts infinite torture for finite offences is not worthy of worship. What say you?
Ethical relativism be damned; if you defend such a villain, your moral judgement is questionable. — Banno
This is about as condemnatory as Jesus gets — unenlightened
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. — Mathew 18:8
I remain unconvinced. — Banno
How do we know that the punishment is unjust? — john27
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