What is your good position that I am supposed to reply to? I am also all eyes. — DA671

Antinatalism. How could you have good replies if you didn't know what my position is?

Natalism.

I do have good replies because you aren't the only person I've met who defends that position. My statement was obviously a general one, but I would appreciate to know your thoughts, as I had asked you before.

Natalism — DA671

Natalism is not a response to antinatalism.

It certainly is, though I feel that both are necessary for a healthy society. But as I said, elaboration would be much appreciated :)

When I had asked you earlier if I had understood your view correctly, your reply had seemed a bit unclear to me. I apologise if I misinterpreted your thumbs up there :p

It certainly is — DA671

No, it isn't. A response would be in the form of a refutation, not a counter-argument.

I am merely asking for the reason you believe universal AN to be defensible. Nothing more.

misinterpreted your thumbs — DA671

You didn't misinterpret my :up:

That's a relief!

I am merely asking for the reason you believe universal AN to be defensible. Nothing more. — DA671

Suffering!

That's a relief! — DA671

I'm glad you're relieved.

Happiness despite suffering!

Happiness — DA671

Illusion!

See? You've not grasped antinatalism.

Yes, I am glad for being back to a fundamentally valuable state. I am happy to know about your gladness, and thanks for your magnanimity there.

Then suffering is also an illusion. I am afraid that you don't understand natalism.

Yes, I am glad for being back to a fundamentally valuable state. I am happy to know about your gladness, and thanks for your magnanimity there. — DA671

Don't thank me yet. — Grace

Then suffering is also an illusion. — DA671

No, suffering is real. Do you pinch yourself to check if something (amazing/terrible) is really happening?

I don't know grace, but I love your grace.

No, it's an illusion (if happiness is also an illusion). You're clearly mistaking inadequate value/its absence to be real.

Alternatively, perhaps you could explain what you mean. :P

I don't know grace, but I love your grace. — DA671

Can you? How intersting!

No, it's an illusion (if happiness is also an illusion). — DA671

Go back to my post. I edited it.

Nah, my life is pervaded by tedium and monotony.

Nah, my life is pervaded by tedium and monotony. — DA671

Yes, looks like that's true. Suffering!

That's the illusion ;)
I never said that I feel that way, but I think that your perspective would deceive you into thinking that. I couldn't find any substantial changes, btw. Regarding mirages, well, let's just say that there are some smiles too hard to concoct out of thin air.

I can also sense a form of satisfaction within you as you typed out your reply debunking my amateur claims. It seemed to embody, dare I say, happiness!
(Note: I am not a certified clairvoyant.)

I never pinch myself.

That's the illusion — DA671

Unfortunately, you seem to be missing the point.

I never said that I feel that way, — DA671

If it makes you happy, go ahead, wiggle your way out of the corner you painted yourself into.

Regarding mirages, well, let's just say that there are some smiles too hard to concoct out of thin air. — DA671

False smiles, yeah. You, above all, should be aware of such things.

I never pinch myself. — DA671

Boring life! I see now.

Nah, my life is pervaded by tedium and monotony. — DA671

Yeah, I can see that you're probably feeling happy at having convincingly "outclassed" me. You'll probably attempt to deny that you're happy, but that's not particularly pertinent, my friend.

I don't think that I missed any points, but I fine with you believing that.

I've seen smiles that hid tears and tears that were derived from indomitable joy. There's much to see.

Pinching seems boring to me. Tickling is more fun!

Pinching seems boring to me. Tickling is more fun! — DA671

I don't think you quite understand what you're saying.

I can see that you're probably feeling happy at having convincingly "outclassed" me. — DA671

Not my way.

I think I perfectly do. Given a range of choices, the alternative that provides a clearer path to fundamental value is generally preferable. Au contraire, I think you did not grasp what I was saying. I think it is your way, yet you are refusing to see it for some inexplicable reason.