Maybe not, but my guess is that you agree with my take on emotion. We want to direct our lives by relying on reliable knowledge, clear perception, logical thinking, and settled emotions. In order to achieve this happy result, we have to take the volatile aspects of our brains into account. — Bitter Crank
What is life but not a low whisper of limiter relevance. — pfirefry
this thread is not about behavior, it's about knowledge. How we know things. — T Clark
Maybe not, but my guess is that you agree with my take on emotion. We want to direct our lives by relying on reliable knowledge, clear perception, logical thinking, and settled emotions — Bitter Crank
We don't select using reason, for instance, unless our emotions have made us privilege a rational approach — Tom Storm
Seems to me that for something to be useful there needs to be some element of truth. Have you provided an example where a falsehood was useful? — Harry Hindu
The whole thread up to the point where I made my first post and all you've done is repeat yourself saying:I think you've missed the point of my part in this discussion. How much of this thread have you read? — T Clark
How does that answer my question? Seems to me that your level of conviction woukd indicate that you'd be able to easily come up with an example instead of becoming defensive.Conceptual models are not true or false, they are accurate or inaccurate. — T Clark
To be fair, the original comment was even more more arrogant than T Clark's response
So you base your philosophy on fairy tales rather than on solid fact?
— Cornwell1 — pfirefry
I shouldn't say this, but I will - all philosophies are based on fairy tales. — T Clark
"the primary value of truth and knowledge is for use in decision making to help identify, plan, and implement needed human action." — T Clark
Here is a description of William James' definition of truth from an article I found on his book "Pragmatism.
Beliefs are considered to be true if and only if they are useful and can be practically applied. At one point in his works, James states, “. . . the ultimate test for us of what a truth means is the conduct it dictates or inspires.” — T Clark
As if we could know anything at all without information-acquiring behavior first. — Bitter Crank
The relationship of emotion to knowledge is not causative. It is an adjunct, or maybe a catalyst--it participates in the formation of knowledge without becoming part of it. — Bitter Crank
the pleasure we experience in figuring out how the gadget works, or how the squirrel builds its nest, or how a chemical reaction takes place, is colored by pleasure--positive experience is attached to the fact. — Bitter Crank
How does that answer my question? Seems to me that your level of conviction woukd indicate that you'd be able to easily come up with an example instead of becoming defensive. — Harry Hindu
SCM is a fairy tale. — Cornwell1
This philosophy is a realism about a metaphysical universe guiding and pulling through our observations and actions. We get to know this reality bit by bit, and it gets modified every time we investigate. We converge on reality by recursive relation (last chapters of your fairy tale, as you, unwillingly, admitted it to be). It's naive realism. An exciting fairy tale! — Cornwell1
the primary value of truth and knowledge is for use in decision making to help identify, plan, and implement needed human action."
But that is likely to be accepted as true by many non-pragmatists. — T Clark
Am I right in suspecting that what you are actually protesting about is the artificial distinction between theory and practice that classical philosophy has been prone to insinuating?
Of course, not only philosophers but mathematicians, scientists and engineers are prone to thinking dogmatically in holding certain propositions, models or techniques to be infallible, lending to occasional calamities such as financial crises. — sime
different communities in different subjects get to decide their own criteria of truth. — sime
Pragmatism can encourage the identification of truth with what is expedient to believe, in line with post-modern cultural relativism, which I'm pretty sure you don't agree with. Something far from being an ally of the enlightenment values embodied by modern engineering. — sime
No. The SCM is a procedure. A method. — T Clark
It's not about dogmatism, it's about how you approach questions about the nature of truth and knowledge — T Clark
The relationship of emotion to knowledge is not causative. It is an adjunct, or maybe a catalyst--it participates in the formation of knowledge without becoming part of it. — Bitter Crank
intensity/extremity of the emotional state — universeness
Psychedelic drugs for example? can they alter knowledge 'flow' and aid creativity — universeness
Just the act of using my mind is a pleasure — T Clark
People who have had the portions of their brain strongly involved emotion damaged sometimes have trouble making decisions, even very simple ones. My point is, emotion is not an adjunct to thinking, it is a fundamental part of it. — T Clark
2+2=4 regardless of how one feels about it. — Bitter Crank
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