I know for a fact that my nonexistence before conception was temporary, otherwise I would have never been conceived. — Paul Michael
Elaborate on this. How do you know that the past does not extend infinitely in the same way that the future does? — _db
There is no evidence to suggest that post-expiration existence is a thing. From a philosophical perspective, that's pretty much all that matters as far as conclusions are concerned. — Garrett Travers
Good point, but there’s no evidence to suggest that post-expiration existence is *not* a thing either. — Paul Michael
There is no such thing as evidence of something that doesn't exist, as nonexistence leaves no evidence except absence of evidence itself. — Garrett Travers
In light of Aristotle's the totality is not, as it were, a mere heap, but the whole is something besides the parts..., let's define what it is to be you. Certainly, you're not a collection of physical components.From a strictly materialistic point of view, the physical components of myself as a biological organism existed long before I was conceived. However, in every practical sense, ‘I’ did not exist before my conception despite the fact that the material components that would eventually comprise me did exist. — Paul Michael
Certainly, you're not a collection of physical components. — L'éléphant
All is change. — Heraclitus
Change is an illusion. — Parmenides
Good point, but there’s no evidence to suggest that post-expiration existence is *not* a thing either. — Paul Michael
Speculation without ANY evidence, prior or posterior, is futile. — god must be atheist
Do not live with the idea that there will be something after, live with the idea that what you have is a precious moment in all of existence that will never be repeated again. — Philosophim
Who says our state doesn't appear again in a follow up big bang? All material particles in the present universe will be annihilated in the far future. All that will be left is a diluting photon gass sending fleeting remembrances of all happy happenings into oblivion at infinity. This state can induce a new bang and fresh particles can condense on a new planet around a new star into new you's, me's and everyone's. Just a thought. — Dijkgraf
Second, you are who you are because of yourself, and the circumstances you are in. If you were cloned today, you would not be your clone. You would be in one location, while they would be in another. You would not share consciousness. On the second of creation, your paths would diverge. In the incredibly unlikely scenario of an exact repeat of existence trillions of years later, it would not be you, just someone very like you. You will be dead and gone. You will never come back. — Philosophim
The clone argument doesn't hold for serial big bangs. I have good theoretical arguments for them to occur. You can get born like you in an infinite variety of planets and situations on them. We will come back... — Dijkgraf
Yes it does. If you are cloned after a big bang, that is not you. You will not come back. You will never come back. I don't say this to hurt you. I say this so you recognize reality, and are able to live your life free from a fantasy otherwise. — Philosophim
You can't be reborn in this universe. The clone is not you. It's impossible you are reborn in this universe, as the particles you are made of have a unique history. If all particles here will be gone in the future, new particles appear in a new big bang, leading to a new you. — Dijkgraf
Explain to me why you think that person born in a different universe is you? Its the same as if there was a clone in this universe. It is not you. — Philosophim
That's my point. It's not the same as in this universe. All material particles will disappear in time in this universe. New appear in a new bang. A new you and me appear. Why
shouldn't
they be me or you? — Dijkgraf
If its not the same as in this universe, then its not you. Beyond the fantastical idea that this will even happen, at best its a clone. — Philosophim
I see you started a new discussion on this topic! I'm not sure why it makes you mad. It's not like believing in God. It's hard scientific reality. — Dijkgraf
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