As there has never been a time in history that humans occupied a non-owned entity such as other planets, — L'éléphant
We know that the US, Russia, China have galactic ambition — L'éléphant
But what if we could actually create human habitat on Mars? Should territories be created and laws established on Mars similar to Earth? What about ownership? Economy? — L'éléphant
Should we outlaw wars, terrorism, overpopulation, and pollution? — L'éléphant
Antarctica is a continent on a planet that's already organically occupied by humans. When I said "entity" I meant a separate body of a planet. Sorry for this neglect.Antarctica. — T Clark
Space exploration, to put it bluntly.I'm not sure what this means. Meaningful galactic ambition depends on the ability to travel faster than light. Current science says that's not possible. — T Clark
Questions -
Is there anything in space worth going after. Probably. Raw materials. Scientific knowledge.
If yes, where is it? Is it on a large celestial object - planet or moon - or on a smaller one - asteroid?
Is it economical to go after the materials?
Is the best way of getting the materials by using fixed bases? — T Clark
Okay, so this is your answer.2) First come/best military first served. Method 2 is how it worked on Earth. — T Clark
Peace is part of the Moon Treaty. And why we couldn't have the same on Earth is obvious. But, I think that settlement on another planet would be just like on Earth -- or would it be a big lab like Antarctica? I believe, though, with increasing intelligence, as I have already been told in this forum by other forum members, humans will try to figure out a way to carve out another settlement somewhere. If Antarctica melts, and as big as it is -- much bigger than the US size, that could be a possibility. But guess what, 7 nations already claimed territories on Antarctica.If we could have, we probably would have already. — T Clark
Antarctica is a continent on a planet that's already organically occupied by humans. — L'éléphant
Space exploration, to put it bluntly. — L'éléphant
Okay, so this is your answer. — L'éléphant
Space exploration, to put it bluntly. — L'éléphant
But what if we could actually create human habitat on Mars? — L'éléphant
Antarctica. — T Clark
No, because Antarctica was never earmarked for settlement, only scientific exploration. Second, only those who have the means to go to the chosen planet could lead the international treaty. (If settlement is already a possibility),I think Antarctica might a good model for how it could work in space. — T Clark
I said, if a planet could be inhabited. Which implies that it is fit for human habitat. Could you guys try to envision this scenario?If there is nothing to be gained in space other than knowledge, I don't see why anyone will care what happens there. If there is no economical way of bringing resources available in space back here to earth, the only value of space will be military. — T Clark
What was it then? You said it would be first come first served -- we already know which countries have the means to go. In reality.It wasn't an answer. — T Clark
Humor me.Or, another theme in science fiction: we travel for a very long time in space and never find anyone else. — Bitter Crank
You think so, but no.The new melting pot: Mars. — Metaphysician Undercover
You think so, but no. — L'éléphant
Once the exclusive province of science fiction stories and films, the subject of space colonization has rapidly moved several steps closer to becoming a reality thanks to major advances in rocket propulsion and design, astronautics and astrophysics, robotics and medicine. The urgency to establish humanity as a multi-planet species has been re-validated by the emergence of a worldwide pandemic, one of several reasons including both natural and man-made catastrophes long espoused in the pro-colonization rhetoric.
The long-term habitation of the International Space Station by rotating teams of astronauts, scientists and medical professionals has provided us with a wealth of data to establish parameters for keeping humans alive and healthy for long periods in the harsh environment of space. Here on earth there have been several ambitious projects attempting to duplicate as close as possible the conditions of off-world habitation to test the limits of human endurance.
Please read the above post. Thanks.Or, another theme in science fiction: we travel for a very long time in space and never find anyone else. — Bitter Crank
Wait until a planet is habitable. — L'éléphant
Yes, I actually was thinking of something similar to Earth habitat. But yes, artificial structure would be more realistic. Nonetheless, if that's the case, there is a possibility of creating one since ISS has already established that long term stay is possible in such structure. It's just a matter of time. So, obviously not in the near future. But still my question about the political consequences of such arrangement. We're not going to escape the political and economic domination as we are experiencing on Earth. There's not going to be a utopia.I think that the other planets are known to be fundamentally uninhabitable, any colonization would be within an artificial structure, just like the space station. You appear to be dreaming about something which will never happen. — Metaphysician Undercover
I don't see overpopulation as a problem. — Metaphysician Undercover
I've been thinking about laws on Mars. There's an international treaty saying that no country can lay claim to anything that's not on Earth. By another treaty if you're not in any country's territory, maritime law aplies. So Mars is international waters. Now, NASA is an American non-military organization, it owns the Hab. But the second I walk outside I'm in international waters. So Here's the cool part. I'm about to leave for the Schiaparelli Crater where I'm going to commandeer the Ares IV lander. Nobody explicitly gave me permission to do this, and they can't until I'm on board the Ares IV. So I'm going to be taking a craft over in international waters without permission, which by definition... makes me a pirate. Mark Watney: Space Pirate.
They say once you grow crops somewhere, you have officially “colonized” it. So technically, I colonized Mars.
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