Your OP says even those with a bad life are compelled to avoid death, and we would even saw off our arm to do so — Down The Rabbit Hole
No it doesn't. Sheesh. It says that we have 'reason to' avoid death. Reason to. Reason to. Reason to. Reason to. Not 'will'. Reason to. Not 'will'. Not 'desire to'. Not 'fear'. Reason to. — Bartricks
I replied pointing out that this is because we are hardwired to do so — Down The Rabbit Hole
Yeah, irrelevant. False. And irrelevant. — Bartricks
you then responded to others and me that it is "intuitive" and "self-evident" that we have reason to avoid death - I reiterated that it feels intuitive and self evident because of our hardwiring. — Down The Rabbit Hole
Again, false and irrelevant. It's called the genetic fallacy- the fallacy of thinking that if a belief or impression has a cause, then that automatically discredits the belief or impression. It works for any goddamn belief or impression of anything at all - so it's a really dumb argument. You keep making it. Draw the inference. — Bartricks
THus, the reasonable conclusion is that death is a portal to hell. — Bartricks
And does that reason not compel us to avoid death? Your wording in the OP is "bids us". — Down The Rabbit Hole
Do you believe in evolution? I — Down The Rabbit Hole
No, we've been over this; focus! It only undermines beliefs that have no reasoning apart from feeling self-evidently true. — Down The Rabbit Hole
This self-evident truth is starting to look more like religious faith. — Down The Rabbit Hole
If you could realise that your own argument is premised upon people's intuitions and attitude towards death — DA671
Except that not all intuitions are rational. — DA671
Our "reason" does not tell us that death itself alters our being or is a terrible hellish dimension. Perhaps yours do, but that's a separate matter. — DA671
Your argument is based on value judgements, not facts. Whiney, cowardly value judgements. — T Clark
I am going to go and explain this to a horse now, as that would be a better use of my time. Tara. — Bartricks
Until then, don't birth children — Agent Smith
Zero suffering would be the ideal we should be aiming for. I don't know if life is even possible after the abolishment of suffering (the trasnhumanist holy grail). If it isn't then that bolsters antinatalism — Agent Smith
So, you are not advocating that the end of all life in the Universe is a moral imperative due to the existence of suffering. You merely suggest that the Earth is over-populated and due to the fact that resources are not equitably distributed we need to stop producing children that we cant nurture adequately. — universeness
Ok! good to know.I'm not Thanos! — Agent Smith
I know!Suffering is a real problem! — Agent Smith
I would need more context before I could respond to thisI just met someone from work who complained "I don't know where to start! — Agent Smith
I concurComing to overpopulation, I simply echoed the views of others. They seem to make sense as far as I can tell — Agent Smith
I remember a Neil deGrasse Tyson video on how a tabletop (2D) quickly runs out of space, but that once you start stacking items into 3D, we can fit more stuff (area becomes volume). Birth and death at different times (4th dimension) is the same principle in action. We pack more people in the same 3D space by using the 4th dimension. In other words, the overpopulation crisis can be solved by timing births (deaths can't be controlled for to do so might require us to legalize murder of the elderly aka senicide) — Agent Smith
The squeaky wheel gets the grease! — Agent Smith
The situation is relatively better now than in the past precisely because people like antinatalists have been kvetching about the problems with life... We're the ones who stimulate positive change in the world! — Agent Smith
making it possible for people like you to denounce, in degrading terms, people like us who complain! — Agent Smith
And you are the forums resident squeaky wheel. — T Clark
Talk about delusions of grandeur. — T Clark
You; in your self-righteous, self-serving, self-satisfied smugness; say that having children is evil. You deserve to be denounced in degrading terms. — T Clark
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