Still overly concerned as to the contents of other folk's underwear, I see.
Odd. — Banno
In what way isn't it possible? Are you defining physical gender based on whether or not they have a dick or vagina? — Christoffer
Female genital mutilation is considered a a horror when it happens in Africa but in the west it is now seen as gender reaffirming surgery and the version in the west causes a woman to be come infertile, have an increased of dementia and heartache, lead to complications such as fistulas, adhesions, arterial bleeds. I think people like you in history will be see on the wrong side and accomplices to grievous harm for reasons only you can fathom. — Andrew4Handel
But instead you demand of other folk that they must conform to your inadequate notions of sex, sexuality and gender. — Banno
The question is one of consent, with children being unable to consent to having their genitals removed and adults being able to consent — Hanover
As long as the person understands the various risks you've presented — Hanover
Still overly concerned as to the contents of other folk's underwear, I see. — Banno
A part of it to me is that I don't think how you perform sex acts or who you perform them with is so integral to the person that it ought be who we think that person is. Unless I'm going to be having sex that person, it seems pretty irrelevant whether the person is gay, straight, or anywhere else on the spectrum. — Hanover
Arguably, this shared privacy is important to many people for a general sense of safety. — baker
I mentioned Jazz Jennings earlier whose penis was shrunk by puberty blockers and they needed to do several surgeries with lots of complications to try and turn it into a pseudo vagina because they usually do the surgery on fully developed males — Andrew4Handel
My point here is that all the concerns for safety and whatever other issues you wish to throw out seem pretextual, meaning I really don't think you have these concerns as much as you have a desire not to accommodate people who you believe are irrational and cuckoo. — Hanover
If she believes all the surgeries she's been through are worth it and she's happier as the result, why should your concerns be her concerns? — Hanover
What do you suppose “choose reality”’ refers to? Just the issues that are highlighted of aggression toward women by men deliberately masquerading as females? Or do you suppose this includes a denial of the idea that psychological gender doesn’t necessarily match biological sex? — Joshs
Or do you suppose this includes a denial of the idea that psychological gender doesn’t necessarily match biological sex?
But there are gay people who I am sure would love to jump on top of me and have their way with me while I'm standing at the urinal, but I have no way of distinguishing the gay from the straight, so I stand there vulnerable, hoping to have uneventful toilet experience. — Hanover
Psychological gender is a cluster of traits, but which traits in particular those are for which gender varies from culture to culture, from setting to setting. The same trait can sometimes be considered male, other times, female, or childish.
1m — baker
He said himself he was fine before he went on puberty blockers. Jazz has also said he thinks he'll never have an orgasm and he knows the surgeries have prevented him from creating children. — Andrew4Handel
By the way it is a lie to call a biological male a woman. Pronouns are intended to reflect some semblance of reality. — Andrew4Handel
Let’s say he would list these behaviors as including speaking with a lisp, walking and growing a ball like a girl, playing with dolls instead of toy soldiers and guns. — Joshs
Girls throw like girls because no one ever taught them to step with the opposite leg as the throwing arm. — Hanover
The proper referent to a pronoun is however people use it. That's how language works. I use "her" to denote people who wish to be recognized as female — Hanover
So where does trans fit in here? I think the idea that one must change one’s body to fit one’s psychological gender is only necessary in a culture which
believes that behavior should match genitalia according to rigid norms. — Joshs
In a society which has no such belief , one is free to recognize that body sex and psychological gender are inextricably intertwined such that it becomes incoherent to claim that one was born in the wrong body.
Please refer to me as King Andrew now or just your majesty because that is how I prefer to be referred to. I also am a real monarch because that is what my brain is telling me. I can't be wrong about my own intuitions. — Andrew4Handel
lenty of men tried to teach me to throw like a guy. I spent hours trying to teach myself. I was desperate to get rid of such ‘feminine’ traits but it worked out about as well as that John Wayne scene from La Cage Aux Folles. — Joshs
Please refer to me as King Andrew now or just your majesty because that is how I prefer to be referred to. I also am a real monarch because that is what my brain is telling me. I can't be wrong about my own intuitions. — Andrew4Handel
Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.