Then the fault is with the trans people. — baker
I’m a gay male. Plenty of men tried to teach me to throw like a guy. I spent hours trying to teach myself. I was desperate to get rid of such ‘feminine’ traits but it worked out about as well as that John Wayne scene from La Cage Aux Folles. — Joshs
↪baker So that is what you think trans folk are like? That is what you would base your opinion on?
Is yours an argument to refuse to acknowledge the existence of trans people, or for improvements in the prison system? — Banno
The "fault" is with folk such as you who are overly concerned with the contents of other people's underpants. You are the reason nearly half of transexual children have attempted suicide. Your attitude is the reason for the abominable statistics on the treatment of trans folk.
You are the reason nearly half of transexual children have attempted suicide. Your attitude is the reason for the abominable statistics on the treatment of trans folk.
Also, in my native language, an idiomatic phrase like "you throw like a girl" doesn't exist. — baker
I don't see that as "feminine", but as physically clumsy, perhaps even a neurological problem or otherwise poor eye-body coordination. A problem that is not limited to either sex — baker
You’re missing the point. Im not denying that with enough training I could learn to ‘throw like a boy’. The point is that my natural tendency to throw the ball like a girl is related to my naturalSo stand up and let's do this. Assuming you're right handed, put a crumpled up piece of paper in your right hand — Hanover
Then the fault is with the trans people. — baker
So for you, society and social norms exist and must be obeyed when it pleases you, and should be regarded as non-existent and discarded when it doesn't please you, eh? — baker
Is baseball a popular sport in your country? — Joshs
Not a neurological problem, and not clumsiness. Rather, a perceptual-affective style that differs along a masculine-feminine spectrum. That is, the issue isn’t with the arm, the stance, the coordination. It is with a primordial level of perceptual processing. That is why such a wide range of behaviors ( speech pronunciation, posture, walk, throwing, general bodily comportment, response to stimuli) all are involved and tied together as gender-associated via primordial perceptual-affective style which one is born with.
To understand this is to understand why we recognize a different behavioral style in male vs female dogs and cats.
Rather, a perceptual-affective style that differs along a masculine-feminine spectrum.
The point is that my natural tendency to throw the ball like a girl is related to my natural
tendency to walk in a feminine way, to speak in a way that has feminine characteristics, to have a bodily posture and comportment that tends in the same direction. — Joshs
You attitude towards trans people is unethical, callous and shallow. — Banno
You would refuse to allow trans folk to express their identity. You are imposing your preconceptions of sexuality and gender on others, creating "society and social norms exist and must be obeyed when it pleases you". So are you a hypocrite or just incapable of clear thinking? — Banno
I've had cats for almost forty years, males and females, intact and sterilized, but I wouldn't ascribe the differences in behavior to their biological sex. — baker
(I know a family that has had German shepherds for years, males and females. All their dogs were the same, regardless of age, size, and sex. All the same aggressiveness and superiority, just like their owners.) — baker
"Their identity". We're at a philosophy forum. Identity is a construct. — baker
You just want things to be politically correct and shallow. — baker
“From the data included in this review, it appears that males tend to be more aggressive and bolder than females, whereas a lower level of intraspecific sociability in males was reported. Females seem more inclined to interspecific social interactions with humans in tasks that require cooperative skills, whereas males appear more likely to interspecific social play. Studies of spatial skills underlined a higher flexibility in resorting to a particular navigation strategy in males in an outdoor environment; however, females appear to be better at spatial learning tasks in restricted areas. Lateralization studies seem to support the view that males are preferentially left-pawed and females are preferentially right-pawed; however, some studies have failed to replicate these results. Reports on visual focusing rank females as superior in focus on specific social and physical stimuli. In olfactory monitoring activity, only male dogs are able to discriminate kin. For other stimuli, the use of olfactory recording may be related to the differential relevance that olfactory signals have for males and females.” — Joshs
"Their identity". We're at a philosophy forum. Identity is a construct.
— baker
And you would refuse to allow trans people to construct their identity, insisting that you do it for them. — Banno
No; I want children not to feel so disenfranchised that they try to kill themselves. I want the same for trans adults.
If you would to be understood, be understanding. You may deal with the contents of your underwear as you please. Extend that privilege to others.
And we live in a world where resources are limited. This is why it is only prudent to construct one's identity in line with that...
Ordinary people don't simply get that kind of enfranchizement, they have to earn it, by submitting to social norms. — baker
I've witnessed female cats fight ferociously over territory. — baker
There is no delusionary thinking and there is no confusion. — Hanover
The reason I won't call you "king" is that you don't think yourself a king. — Hanover
Schizophrenics have real delusions so are you going to affirm a paranoid schizophrenics delusion that they are being hunted by the mafia because it is a firmly held belief? — Andrew4Handel
It is our business when asking someone out on a date. Straights, lesbians and gays each deserve the right to know what sex they're bringing home with them. If we didn't live in a society where it was law to wear clothes, it wouldn't be an issue.That you are paying undue attention to the contents of other folk's underwear is terse, but right on point. It's not your business. — Banno
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