The hot and cold spots we see represent places where more photons were released more quickly from given regions of space (back when the fog became opaque). — VagabondSpectre
I am unsure of the reasoning behind your post — TimeLine
is the universe ever going to 'crunch' and die, or are we expanding exponentially — TimeLine
Are you talking about the acoustic oscillations detected by WMAP? If so, this is wrong. ;) — TimeLine
Is it that there were more photons released from dense regions because they contained more photons? Did the gravitational strength differential of these more dense regions cause more photons to be emanate from specific trajectories at the time of decoupling? — VagabondSpectre
I wanted to write down my understanding of the CMB to see how well I understood it, and it occurred to me that not many people are very familiar with it whatsoever. They see the CMB map and they have no sweet clue what they're looking at... I don't think I achieved what I wanted to though, which was to really help to visualize what it actually is/looks like. — VagabondSpectre
As far as I understand it, pressure differences in the photon-baryon fluid are the acoustic oscillations. The photons we gather reflect that pressure distribution at the time of decoupling. — VagabondSpectre
It completely backfires when we think of the 2nd law of thermodynamics too, because the CMB is practically homogenous in temperature and smoothness. What the heck happened to entropy? — TimeLine
This implies that there was more heat and energy in those regions of space (at the time), which implies that structure (stars and subsequent forms and groupings of matter) might be more likely to develop there as a result. These hot and cold spots essentially correlate to the distribution of matter in the observable universe. — VagabondSpectre
What do you mean? — SophistiCat
When thinking of inflationary theories, during the initial stages the universe began with low entropy and perfect order (how else could it be?) — TimeLine
Yeah, the universe had better begin with a low(er) entropy, but I don't know if I would call a homogeneous gas a "perfect order". — SophistiCat
Yeah, the universe had better begin with a low(er) entropy, but I don't know if I would call a homogeneous gas a "perfect order". — SophistiCat
Are you talking about the star itself or the stellar region? The entropy lost by the star is certainly not at an equal sum to what it gains by its surrounding, so you would need to further elucidate this point.As the temperature of the newborn stars is lost to cold space, usable energy goes down and entropy goes up. The reverse process -- the "re-homogenization" of those stars and galaxies would require external work. Usable energy would go up and entropy down. — Pierre-Normand
While you literally made me feel bad since you were able to respond so eloquently to what I felt was a rather insufferable and elementary comparative of the homogeneity on small scales to that of the spatially large scale (an attitude I should adopt) what is your opinion on the cosmological arrow of time in relation to inflationary theories; I lean more towards Guth' model and his model rests mostly on the physics of scalar fields.Counterintuitively, it so happens that gravitational systems have more spatially inhomogeneous states available to them than homogeneous ones. — Pierre-Normand
Are you talking about the star itself or the stellar region? The entropy lost by the star is certainly not at an equal sum to what it gains by its surrounding, so you would need to further elucidate this point. — TimeLine
what is your opinion on the cosmological arrow of time in relation to inflationary theories; I lean more towards Guth' model and his model rests mostly on the physics of scalar fields. — TimeLine
Yes, this sounds a bit paradoxical when one is used to consider examples of low and high entropy restricted to systems that aren't dominated by gravity. Gases and liquids in closed boxes, for instance, display maximum entropy in homogeneous states. Yet, for gravitational systems characterized by a universal attractive force between the components, the opposite is true. — Pierre-Normand
In the early, radiation-dominated universe gravitational collapse could not occur (because reasons). — SophistiCat
The universe then was close to a (local) thermodynamic equilibrium. If global expansion did not occur and the macro-state of the early universe persisted indefinitely, it would have remained a very uniform, hot "particle soup". The entropy then was close to its maximum value - which is why it seemed weird to me to characterize that state as "perfect order".
But then, characterizing entropy in terms of order is generally misleading.
Following rapid non-equilibrium expansion and cooling additional entropy was created first by nucleogenesis and later by gravitational collapse.
First, apologies, when I said "when the temperature of the newborn star is lost...", I meant "heat" not "temperature". I was picturing the temperature of the star and the temperature of interstellar space evening out. — Pierre-Normand
Under the effect of self-gravity, those clouds heat up adiabatically. Adiabatic compression is a thermodynamically reversible process and so doesn't give rise to any entropy change within the collapsing gas masses (neglecting chemical or nuclear reactions). — Pierre-Normand
This model makes much sense to me, but I am not in a position to assess it against competitors. (In fact, I don't even know what the viable competitors might be. When I was studying physics, I attended a graduate seminar in cosmology given by Hubert Reeves, but that was more than 20 years ago and I didn't consolidate that learning. So you must be much more knowledgeable than I) — Pierre-Normand
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