Moreso, I think: religion seems to me more like early childhood (nursery, fairytales, kindergarden) and science like late adolescence (sex, cars, junior college) – the latter never completely outgrows the developmental vestiges (defects, biases) of the former. — 180 Proof
if there is no god did one just waste the only life they had with this belief? — Mayor of Simpleton
you can't prove there is a God — Gregory
He knew that the question of God was/is/will probably remain undecidable. Ergo [...] — Agent Smith
So then, the question would be is the life of Pascal the standard of measure for everyone's life or could it be him pleading a special case or something else? — Mayor of Simpleton
...a cause is outside the universe by the time the effect occurs.
You've met your grandmother, so you know she's real, yet she's outside this universe, being no longer in existence.
Pascal's opinion was the believing in God was, at most, a minor inconvenience! Thereby hangs a tale: Pascal was already a religious person and there would've been little change in the way he lived Pascal's wager or not!
Of course you don't because you're reading an aside out of context which I made in reply to another aside made in reply to earlier comments in the context of me addressing "Pascal's Wager" . It helps to pay attention, Astro, in order to avoid making irrelevant bird-droppings. Btw, my reply to the OP and "philosophical analysis" linked therein is hereI don't see the talk about unsublimated early childhood fairytales having anything to do with a philosophical analysis of religion and God. — Astrophel
Of course you don't because you're reading an aside out of context which I made in reply to another aside made in reply to earlier comments in the context of me addressing "Pascal's Wager" ↪Agent Smith. It helps to pay attention, Astro, in order to avoid making irrelevant bird-droppings. Btw, my reply to the OP and "philosophical analysis" linked therein is here ↪180 Proof — 180 Proof
Sure, what no longer exists (causes, dead grandmas) is no longer in the universe. But does that mean it then moves to an existence outside the universe? A junkyard for spent causes? Or does it cease to exist anywhere? (And no, I do not have relationships - or interaction - with dead relatives. I have never seen a ghost. I did have relationships with them while they were IN the universe.) — Real Gone Cat
These once-in-the-universe-but-now-no-longer-existing things are very different from things that somehow exist on the outside. — Real Gone Cat
How can you tell when causes from the outside have generated effects on the inside? Its like trying to use quale to discern things-in-themselves. — Real Gone Cat
In simpler times, unexplained events were called miracles and attributed to gods, because people didn't know any better. — Real Gone Cat
religion's definition of what is good. — Mayor of Simpleton
despite zero evidentiary support. — Agent Smith
In my experience, Astro, this is backwards: it's the fact that all extant arguments for the existence of "God" (i.e. theism is true) are "made of straw" which itself constitutes a sound argument for the nonexistence of "God" (i.e. theism is not true).You find that most arguments against the existence of God are made of straw. — Astrophel
:pray: :halo:36 Arguments For The Existence of God: Appendix (a novel)
1. The Cosmological Argument
2. The Ontological Argument
3. The Argument from Design
A. The Classical Teleological Argument
B. The Argument from Irreducible Complexity
C. The Argument from the Paucity of Benign Mutations
D. The Argument from the Original Replicator
4. The Argument from the Big Bang
5. The Argument from the Fine-Tuning of Physical Constants
6. The Argument from the Beauty of Physical Laws
7. The Argument from Cosmic Coincidences
8. The Argument from Personal Coincidences
9. The Argument from Answered Prayers
10. The Argument from a Wonderful Life
11. The Argument from Miracles
12. The Argument from the Hard Problem of Consciousness
13. The Argument from the Improbable Self
14. The Argument from Survival After Death
15. The Argument from the Inconceivability of Personal Annihilation
16. The Argument from Moral Truth
17. The Argument from Altruism
18. The Argument from Free Will
19. The Argument from Personal Purpose
20. The Argument from the Intolerability of Insignificance
21. The Argument from the Consensus of Humanity
22. The Argument from the Consensus of Mystics
23. The Argument from Holy Books
24. The Argument from Perfect Justice
25. The Argument from Suffering
26. The Argument from the Survival of the Jews
27. The Argument from the Upward Curve of History
28. The Argument from Prodigious Genius
29. The Argument from Human Knowledge of Infinity
30. The Argument from Mathematical Reality
31. The Argument from Decision Theory (Pascal's Wager)
32. The Argument from Pragmatism (William James's Leap of Faith)
33. The Argument from the Unreasonableness of Reason
34. The Argument from Sublimity
35. The Argument from the Intelligibility of the Universe (Spinoza's God)
36. The Argument from the Abundance of Arguments — Rebecca Goldstein
In my experience, Astro, this is backwards: it's the fact that all extant arguments for the existence of "God" (i.e. theism is true) are "made of straw" which itself constitutes a sound argument for the nonexistence of "God" (i.e. theism is not true). — 180 Proof
Certainly. Click on the link in my previous post and start that "dialogue" at any point or subtopic therein you have issues with or that, in your opinion, needs clarification. I'm not a phenomenologist (or Platonist-Aristotlean (essentialist) or dualist/idealist-of-any-flavor) so, if that's a deal-breaker for you, then good luck with that. The vacuity of every one of the "36 arguments" listed above, nonetheless, stands unrefuted.The question then is only this: Can you in a sustained dialog argue this position? — Astrophel
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