I was replying to praxis, who appears to be an actual person actually writing in this actual thread. — Seppo
"Imaginary" :lol: — Seppo
You were just repeating what praxis said — Isaac
So which actual person in this thread has made those claims? — Isaac
Or are we just going to wave our little flags so everyone is quite sure which gang we belong to ... Sure, here goes...
Don't you just hate Nazis, with their antisemitism and warmongering? Grrr! — Isaac
I'm pretty sure agreeing with someone is allowed by the forum guidelines. — Seppo
I never said any person in this thread did. But not having posted in this thread =/= imaginary. — Seppo
"cancel culture" isn't a neutral descriptive term, but a normative/value-laden one — Seppo
People fought wars over justice to get it. — Benkei
Slavery was abolished thanks to violence. Segregation was ended by government force.
I don't even think that's really a left vs. right wing thing; that's just a lot of people trying to maintain the status quo because they cannot envisage anything better.
Here's a perfectly good reason not to visit StarBucks and to let your grievances known by spamming them. If enough people will join, media will call it "cancel culture" again. But really, fuck Starbucks. I don't need to listen to them explain away their corporate greed, we need them to stop this and have them pay their employees a living wage.
By bigoted I mean that one is intolerant of another because of his views, which do not manifest beyond the victimless expressions of thought and speech. There are actions we should not tolerate, however, and censorship is one of them. — NOS4A2
So first the letter's not to be taken seriously because there's no examples; then it's not to be taken seriously because the examples are one's where you'd agree with the cancellations... — Isaac
We need to assess independently whether what the mob wants is something agree with and if so join them. — Benkei
Except nobody is stomping anyone's views out, they are brought out in the light in all their stupidity and found lacking. — Benkei
Could be. I think the desire to censor comes from fear. People who don’t even see censorship might be fearful about where things are headed.
It takes some confidence in your fellow humans to say, "Stop being a big baby and grow the ability to listen to opposing views without fear that we'll slide into a holocaust if you let other people have their say." — frank
Neither your agreement nor your disagreement were the point. The point was entirely that you designated people's serious concerns as "hard to take seriously" on the grounds of a lack of specificity that two minutes of internet research could have settled for you. — Isaac
↪Benkei I suppose the problem with throngs of folks angrily pursuing social justice over the interwebs is that things are often more complicated than most people think. — Olivier5
Both right and left wing try to leverage this new social tool to suppress opposition. The question wasn't which political groups use it, the question was whether it was a dangerous tool to encourage the use of. — Isaac
The point is not whether we should always debate and never fight, I'm with you on that one, there's a time for fighting, there's a time to stop talking and just kick people out of polite society...
...the question I'm raising is how we decide when that time is, not whether it exists at all. — Isaac
Thanks to the same social media and communication technologies even innocent people can be, and often are, pigeonholed, labeled, and "earmarked" for subjection "to a form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles" as per the Wikipedia definition.
When this becomes permissible or is even encouraged by sections of society for political or other reasons, then it becomes a social trend or culture. — Apollodorus
Why should there be charity? Can you provide an argument for charity? — baker
In the United States, there is no single “wrongful termination” law. Rather there are several state and federal laws and court decisions that define this concept.
In all U.S. states except Montana, workers are considered by default to be at-will employees, meaning that they may be fired at any time without cause.
It was not a lack of specificity but a lack of supporting evidence — praxis
The point was entirely that you designated people's serious concerns as "hard to take seriously" on the grounds of a lack ofspecificitysupporting evidence that two minutes of internet research could have settled for you. — Isaac
and it's still not settled for me. — praxis
It's not new. The same phenomenon has existed as scapegoating for millennia. Scapegoating is apparently a psychological need. — baker
I once heard an interesting hypothesis about scapegoating: People resort to scapegoating when their own adherence to the values they profess reaches a critical low where even they cannot deny it anymore. Instead of admitting it and deliberately changing their ways, they metaphorically cast their own sins onto someone else and this way free themselves of the burden of a guilty conscience. This way, they clear the slate and can start fresh. — baker
A lot of the people "canceled" by cancel culture actually resigned due to public uproar. They weren't fired per se, so I don't think you're grappling with the main problem. It's public intolerance and the vulnerability of a university, newspaper, etc. to public anger. — frank
You lamented the lack of examples, examples were given. Is there something else you're missing? — Isaac
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