So do notice that both Russia and Ukraine were in the Partnership for Peace program with NATO. — ssu
It was President Leonid Kuchma who first started talking about Ukraine joining NATO in 2002. Yet far before that, Russia had already started to operate for the annexation of Crimea — ssu
Hence as early as 1994, Russia was supporting an agenda of reuniting Crimea with Russia. Since it didn't pan out earlier, and many other things were done to get Crimea, just like giving Russian passports of Crimeans etc, — ssu
The idea that the annexation of Ukrainian territory was in some way a response to US actions is simply and utterly false. — ssu
In order to keep Ukraine out of NATO there would have been a multitude different was to achieve this. — ssu
Britain has already admitted arming Ukraine: — Apollodorus
that was a cover for special operations. — Apollodorus
Hackers are coming to Ukraine’s aid in an effort to target Russian government websites and officials with disruptive counterattacks, according to six people involved in the activity.
The Brits (and some Americans) ... have also completely penetrated Russia where they are organizing “peace-demos”, cyber-attacks on government institutions (together with Anonymous), and planning a coup to topple Putin in collaboration with America and then grab Russia's resources. — Apollodorus
Sweden was a signatory of the financial-aid-coordinating agency, the Organisation for European Economic Co-operation (later renamed Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development or OECD). — Apollodorus
I question the ability to be rational on your part.Europeans have become too entitled, too greedy, too thankless, too short-sighted. They've become like a bunch of spoiled teenagers. — baker
Hackers are coming to Ukraine’s aid in an effort to target Russian government websites and officials with disruptive counterattacks, according to six people involved in the activity.
So what does this have to do with our critique of Putin and Russia today? — Christoffer
But we are not only in alignment with the US, but any other nation closer to our ideals. — Christoffer
you accept US financial, material, and technical assistance, and in return, you do as you are told by the US. — Apollodorus
However, (1) where did you get your "ideals" from? and (2) do your ideals entail submission to US domination? — Apollodorus
This kind of idea that Sweden is in any shape or form a "puppet" of the US is downright stupid. — Christoffer
and see which banks dominate global investment in Europe, for example. — Apollodorus
You must have noticed how the US has been putting pressure on Germany and other European countries to take measures against Russia like imposing sanctions, etc. — Apollodorus
How is it in Germany's interests to cancel the German-Russian pipeline and buy oil and gas from America instead of Russia (at much higher prices), or to have 30,000 US troops on its soil??? — Apollodorus
And the troops on their soil is because of NATO, it's to have security against Russia. — Christoffer
Sorry, but I think you don't know what you are talking about. If America wants "security against Russia", then let it station its forces in Poland. Or Sweden, if you want them. Wouldn't you just love to have 30,000 US troops in Stockholm to protect you from Russia?
Why Germany? Is America going to fight Russia in Ukraine on German soil???!!! — Apollodorus
One wonders if this kind of issue could cause the Russian army to become more aggressive. There's still no clear goal set for this war, that I've heard. Some say that they want to overthrow Ukraine's president. — Manuel
so it isn't just Ukraine vs Russia — Apollodorus
What are you talking about? It's part of the NATO defense force. NATO defends its NATO member nations or they can be positioned on non-NATO member nations soil if that nation want them there, but the act of fighting against another nation is US choice. However, if a NATO member is attacked, the deal with the alliance is that all of NATO then helps that nation. — Christoffer
Russia really can't afford to fight an insurgency in a country of 45 million, it would bleed them white and potentially endanger Putin's hold on power. — Count Timothy von Icarus
The footage of downed Russian aircraft and multiple whole columns of Russian marked heavy equipment burning seem to suggest a very high toll in a short period. Unclear if Ukrainian claims of downing two Il-76, if confirmed, would mean heavy fatalities on the Russian side. — Count Timothy von Icarus
So ... if you were NATO central command and wanted to fight Russia in Ukraine, you would station the bulk of your forces in Germany???
Have you ever looked at a map of Europe at all??? — Apollodorus
But after EU and NATO expansion the whole eastern front has moved much further east and the country now closest to Russia's western flank is Poland - and the Baltic countries. So US troops should be in Poland or the Baltic, NOT Germany! — Apollodorus
The US military couldn't do it and that's with the insurgency mostly being different factions within Iraq trying to kill each other, not necissarily attack the Americans. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Russia doesn't have anywhere near the economic staying power for such operations — Count Timothy von Icarus
Why don't you understand what a DEFENSIVE alliance means? Don't you understand how NATO works in this conflict and security situation of Europe? — Christoffer
↪ssu Look at the level of your discourse. — baker
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