you haven't really read through the thread, have you? — Joe Mello
Even you came to this thread and looked at me instead of the principle. — Joe Mello
don't think this is true. I think lots of people experience God. That doesn't mean I agree with Joe Mello on the things he's written. — T Clark
I told you that I have spent decades experiencing God, and you replied that “no one experiences God”. — Joe Mello
Taking physical elements and adding to them a lesser thing, such as light, to create a living being would be an absurdity.
Taking physical elements and adding to them an equal thing, such as other elements, to create a living being would be an impossibility.
Taking physical elements and adding to them a greater thing, such as a living being, to create a living being would be a redundancy.
But taking physical elements and adding to them a greater thing than a living being, such as an omnipotent being, to create a living being would be a metaphysical possibility. — Joe Mello
No combination of lesser things can create a greater thing without something greater than the greater thing added to the lesser things. — Joe Mello
MU, I explained the principle step by step showing that I understand it very well. You ignored these steps, Now you’re accusing me of just repeating it from someone else. — Joe Mello
And, no, the last thing I expect is you to readily understand such an elegant principle. You have given me no reason to, no matter how many questions you ask and consider on point when they’re not. — Joe Mello
Your questions haven’t been about the principle but about your ideas.
Be honest. You didn’t ponder it at all, but simply rushed into the first thoughts off the top of your head. — Joe Mello
I provided you a metaphysical principle and claimed it is extremely important in understanding the evolution we know took place on our planet. — Joe Mello
And I ended with that I was looking forward to further discussions. — Joe Mello
No combination of lesser things can create a greater thing without something greater than the greater thing added to the lesser things. — Joe Mello
emancipate, to ask a question that has already been answered is kinda dumb.
Did you not read my long post about a “Baptism of Tears”?
If you’re truly interested in the quality of my experiences of God, starting there would be a better place than spurting out questions off the top of your head. — Joe Mello
Joe! Where is your head at? I looked at your "elegant principle", and realized instantaneously that I have no idea what you mean by "greater". One could spend an eternity pondering 'what does Joe mean by greater', approaching an infinity of possibilities. I chose a more appropriate action, ask Joe what he means by "greater". Your replies indicate Joe does not know what he means by "greater", and he reacts to my questioning in a defensive way, trying to make me feel like the uneducated one. — Metaphysician Undercover
I think that all God-related experiences are fingers pointing at the moon. — emancipate
I apologize for being "vague" about lesser and greater things. But I was so because I took for granted that people on a philosophy forum had learned and incorporated into his or her thinking this basic tenet of philosophy. — Joe Mello
Ignorance of our past is just that -- ignorance. — Joe Mello
Light and matter both emit electromagnetic waves. But matter has the extra element of mass. So, we can also proclaim with absolute certitude that matter is greater than light. — Joe Mello
That matter has mass and light doesn't is a "qualitative" difference. — Joe Mello
Isn't mass quantitative? — emancipate
No combination of lesser things can create a greater thing without something greater than the greater thing added to the lesser things. — Joe Mello
Light doesn't have mass, but it has momentum. — T Clark
Laying down her life for another is. — Joe Mello
But you should remember that perhaps there are not many these days who have the ears and eyes or disposition to be moved by revelation, or even to recognize its existence. — Janus
First, one must have in his or her mind an integral understanding of what makes up a thing -- its elements. And I don't mean its atomic number.
A living thing and a material object both have matter and take up space. But a living thing has an extra element, and not simply a quantitatively extra element but a qualitatively extra element. A living thing is alive. So, when we place a living thing and a material object before us, and as the only spokespersons for reality, we can proclaim with absolute certitude that a living thing is greater than a material object. — Joe Mello
So "Human Consciousness" is equal to the physical brain that dies at our death? — Joe Mello
A thought is simply a chemical reaction? — Joe Mello
The love we feel for our family is just a physical phenomenon? — Joe Mello
All the people throughout the history of humanity who have claimed to know and love God were absolutely delusional? — Joe Mello
A human being at his or her death is the same thing as the snuffing out of a candle? — Joe Mello
A person born with a brain injury and never understands themselves or anything else is just a shit-out-of-luck person? — Joe Mello
And you know all this because you are a truly amazing fellow who is highly respected and who inspires everyone by his example to become another amazing human being like yourself? — Joe Mello
Or are you just an opinionated bigmouth in love with the thoughts bouncing off the top of his own head? — Joe Mello
And atoms and molecules are made of the same stuff. There is nothing in a molecule that is an extra element from an atom, like ice cubes are not greater than water, just frozen water.
But the first ancient bacteria was greater than the dead primordial soup it was swimming in because it possessed the quality of being a living being, which is not simply a more complex dead object. — Joe Mello
First, one must have in his or her mind an integral understanding of what makes up a thing -- its elements. And I don't mean its atomic number.
A living thing and a material object both have matter and take up space. But a living thing has an extra element, and not simply a quantitatively extra element but a qualitatively extra element. A living thing is alive. So, when we place a living thing and a material object before us, and as the only spokespersons for reality, we can proclaim with absolute certitude that a living thing is greater than a material object. — Joe Mello
No combination of lesser things can create a greater thing without something greater than the greater thing added to the lesser things. — Joe Mello
I apologize for being "vague" about lesser and greater things. But I was so because I took for granted that people on a philosophy forum had learned and incorporated into his or her thinking this basic tenet of philosophy. — Joe Mello
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