Obviously this means diplomacy. IF that works, then we can argue about history and who is or is not a maniac or who is evil or whatever. — Manuel
Putin may cut off gas and oil unilaterally, long before the West even tries. — StreetlightX
If governments usually lie, there sometimes can be the rare occasion when the truth serves them and they will say the truth. In that case one should note that accepting this truth doesn't make you a supporter of their usual lies...sometimes it's obvious that the other (here Russia) is doing something that is totally wrong. That even many Russians are against. That it is stupid and likely extremely counterproductive and a tragedy. — ssu
But I just can't fathom your aim. — Isaac
How about that sovereign independent states should be left alone. Military force shouldn't be used. That countries ought not to first underwrite that they accept the borders and the territories of others and then brake on that promise. That there should be peace. — ssu
Mine's simple. I want to hold my government and its allies to account for their role in this, I want to make sure they don't get to play the white knight, saviours of the innocent. — Isaac
The United States will not put US pilots in the air to create a no-fly zone in Ukraine, Thomas-Greenfield said Sunday.
The Biden administration's posture of keeping US forces out of Ukraine means "we're not going to put American troops in the air as well, but we will work with the Ukrainians to give them the ability to defend themselves," she said. — CNN
What motivates this drive for such passionate defense of the already powerful? — Isaac
↪god must be atheist god must be a conspiracy theorist?
We're probably privvy to about 2% of the truth of what is actually happening and the reasons behind it — Changeling
The time to fireproof your house, my man, is either before or after, rather than during, a house fire. — 180 Proof
I haven't said the involvement isn't proven.Take the most contentious issue between us, the role of the far-right in Ukraine and America's part in supporting them. What is it you're aiming for in spending so much time insisting that the evidence for US involvement is sketchy, that the far-right have little influence now, that the Neo-Nazis are only a few in a large armed force...
Why underplay it? Why is it important to you everyone here is clear - there's only a few Neo-Nazis in the armed forces, they were only in government for a short time, and America's involvement is not proven? — Isaac
(Washington Post, 200) In the 12 months following the strategy session, U.S.-funded consultants played a crucial role behind the scenes in virtually every facet of the anti-Milosevic drive, running tracking polls, training thousands of opposition activists and helping to organize a vitally important parallel vote count. U.S. taxpayers paid for 5,000 cans of spray paint used by student activists to scrawl anti-Milosevic graffiti on walls across Serbia, and 2.5 million stickers with the slogan "He's Finished," which became the revolution's catchphrase.
Regarded by many as Eastern Europe's last great democratic upheaval, Milosevic's overthrow may also go down in history as the first poll-driven, focus group-tested revolution.
Interesting speculation that Putin may cut off gas and oil unilaterally, long before the West even tries. Not something I thought of. — StreetlightX
I just wanted to say, the push-button knee jerk reaction on nuclear weapons is a fiction. — L'éléphant
Even if China acts like they don't care about the west, the truth is that their entire economy hangs on an extremely built-out trading network. — Christoffer
I have fireplaces at my home, and wood. So fine with me too!I'd say, rip the band-aid already. — Christoffer
But there is no guarantee of that, obviously. — Janus
China has been very good at specifically making friends with those the West doesn't like. — StreetlightX
I've consistently said that yes, the US meddled in revolution, but that the revolution basically happened because of internal developments in Ukraine. — ssu
They have trade with everyone, but they won't like being shut off from a big portion of the world if they cuddle too much with Russia. — Christoffer
I'd say, rip the band-aid already. The world needs to move towards sustainable energy and this could be a good way to speed that up. Even if it would create enormous economic problems in the short term, it can be done. — Christoffer
Again, and vice versa. The world relies on China just as much as China relies on the world. And in a much bigger way than Russia. It would take either extreme stupidity or extreme courage to try and 'cut China off from trade' - which amounts to cutting the West itself off from its own manufacturing base. And the West is nothing if not filled with cowards. The West does not hold all the agency in the world, contrary to what people would like to believe. — StreetlightX
So if China buddies too much with Russia, it could create a fallout against China where nations get scared to have too much exposure towards a superpower that could very well do exactly the same with Taiwan as Russia did with Ukraine. — Christoffer
Without fossil fuels you basically have renewables and nuclear energy. Renewables will not get it done any time soon, and probably never, because they just are not that efficient, reliable, easy to use, and not even that green to begin with. — ChatteringMonkey
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