This week might prove crucial, depending on how much more resistance Ukraine has left. — Manuel
I don't know, I haven't yet had the opportunity since you've offered zero citations to support the notion. Cite one of these experts and we'll see if I'm inclined to 'brush them off'. — Isaac
As you allude to - the killer, poverty, social exclusion, gun control, parenting, schools, video games, erosion of social value, government deafness, corporate dehumanising...
And what would we discuss in such cases? Not the killer themselves, there's nothing we can do about that, some people just go wrong. We'd discuss everything else... The bits we can actually do something about. — Isaac
If you want to create some fabrication where none of those factors apply then you're simply asking "if the only person to blame is the killer, then who's to blame?" That's just definitional, the question is whether this is such a case. — Isaac
putting Russia in a position in which it sees it has no escape other than a massive escalation of this war — Manuel
I don't know. You want easy answers, and then get mad when the world doesn't offer them to you. — StreetlightX
I'm quite willing to admit that 'what needs to be done' is the kind of thing more suited to others better versed in the situation. Some principles of action include minimizing harm, stopping war, and deescalating as much as possible - how they can are are translated, I'm not so sure. — StreetlightX
But what I know for sure is that it is not suited to fatasists like yourself who dream of putting Putin in the Hague, or paint him like a cartoon villain who 'shoots staff to blow off steam'. — StreetlightX
Your need for some kind of 'punishment' or 'payback' and 'blame' - which seem to be the principles animating what you say - is literally genocidal. — StreetlightX
No one who treats the world like a fucking Disney movie ought to be offering any opinions whatsoever. — StreetlightX
On the one hand, you claim to be looking for solutions, on the other you focus on attributing blame. Let's suppose for arguments sake, this is 100% Putin's fault. Now we are precisely zero steps closer to finding a way to deescalate the situation. — Baden
Third, Putin will stay, and there will be a profound transformation of his regime and the world’s geopolitical order.
— Number2018
This is the most likely outcome. Putin is too stubborn and Kreml has spent years creating an image of him as a tough guy. So he will try and spin the narrative so that a loss is still a win in Ukraine and then because of the broken trade and probably some sanctions left as a punishment for his actions, he will isolate Russia more, going in the direction of North Korea's relation to the world.
Fourth: He will never surrender, never ever, ever. He will not go out without a bang and he orders nukes on big capitals in the west. Either people just accept his order and do it, or they refuse, as has happened during the cold war. He will then spin the narrative in some way, or shoot some of his staff to blow off steam. — Christoffer
What if he actually is as delusional as some speculate, as some have speculated on analyzing his behavior the past weeks.
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I don't grab these scenarios out of my ass. — Christoffer
but the immediate threat is happening right now. — Christoffer
"What if [wild speculation]? [ I totally don't make shit up]." — StreetlightX
The 'immediate threat' has been underway for years, but because you seem intent on plugging your ears at any mention of the US or NATO, you're structurally incapable of framing any solution in any terms other than immediate blame, and, it seems, sheer escalation. — StreetlightX
The treaty was created with an armed attack by the Soviet Union against Western Europe in mind, but the mutual self-defense clause was never invoked during the Cold War. — Wikipedia
If Ukraine survives this attack as an independent state, next thing it does will be to join NATO. Russia will then come in direct geographic proximity with NATO, and it will be all thanks to Putin.
If Ukraine does not survive as an independent state and is absorbed (formally or not) into Russia, then Russia will de facto come into geographic contact with NATO (since Poland, Ukraine's western neighbour, is part of NATO). And it will be all thanks to Putin. — Olivier5
The ruble is worth less than one cent. This shit is getting real. — frank
So he will probably sacrifice his people's economy, sacrifice Russia before admitting any kind of defeat — Christoffer
I thought Russia's debt would keep this from happening. — frank
With the rate this is going, he won't be able to access anything soon. — Christoffer
He's going to have to pull back. — frank
He won't, it's too embarrassing — Christoffer
I wouldn't be surprised if Putin gets fucked by his people at some point. — Christoffer
Then he should attack Ukraine as hard as possible now. Obliterate Kiev. The problem there is that he'd have to then occupy Ukraine (with American troops taking up residence).
Nah, he's going to have to retreat. — frank
I don't think so. He's been really good for Russia (up u til last week :rofl:) — frank
What citation? I'm not writing to publish an essay here. — Christoffer
this is all Putin — Christoffer
You still don't know what is going on right now. — Christoffer
I've been refreshing my own knowledge of everything related to all of this and through this conflict, I have two-three news outlets going simultaneously while deep diving and researching any development that happens. — Christoffer
this is all Putin — Christoffer
I could ask of you the same, where are your sources for the conclusions you make? — Christoffer
But you're the one who keeps talking about who's to blame for all of this, so who is it? — Christoffer
As long as your media outlets are independent trustworthy sources, you can listen to a lot of eastern political scientists confirm exactly what I'm talking about here. — Christoffer
So I ask again, who's to blame? If not Putin and his embarrassment and will to rebuild the Russian empire? If not Putin and his delusional skewed image of the rest of "the west" — Christoffer
What is the advantage of exculpating the US and Europe? Even if they're completely innocent (which has yet to be shown), what is gained by so passionately ensuring their innocence is made clear to all? They're all big boys, they can handle a bit of misapportioned culpability, so why the fervour? — Isaac
This is another hint at his mental problems. There's no contingency plan for retreat, it almost seems to be "do or die". — Christoffer
No no, he is still the best for Russia, — Christoffer
But since we are on a philosophy forum, we can try practical philosophy. What could we do? Seriously, what could we do in the situation the world is in with Ukraine and Russia? — Christoffer
Article 1 of the treaty states that member parties "settle any international disputes in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations." — WIkipedia - North Atlantic Treaty
In September 2017, talk of a settlement picked up after Russia circulated a draft UN Security Council resolution proposing the deployment of UN forces along the front line separating Kyiv’s forces, on one side, from Kremlin-backed separatists, on the other.
Moscow had ignored Kyiv’s calls for peacekeepers since early 2015, so its proposal was regarded with suspicion by Ukraine and its Western allies. Most saw the small force envisaged along the front as a non-starter, more likely to freeze the conflict than end it. Nonetheless, the proposal spurred fresh thinking about ways out of the stalemate. — Crisisgroup
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