But the work of leading neuroscientists like Damasio and the predictive processing group is not consistent with your view of the relationship between affective and cognition, among other things — Joshs
Evidence? That'll be required here. I see you have a pretty decent assertion, if you can support it. Yo — Garrett Travers
Garrett, just to make sure we are not talking a cross purposes, what is the concept of consciousness that is operative in your OP? — bert1
Do you have a definition of the word? Can you indicate what the neuroscientific theory of consciousness (if there is one single one, which there isn't as far as I know) is a theory of? — bert1
Evidence is only intelligible relative to conceptual schemes — Joshs
"This fallacy is committed when a person makes a claim that knowingly or unknowingly disregards well known science, science that weighs against the claim — Garrett Travers
I’m not disregarding well known science , I am
wanting to critique it based on its conceptual
foundation, which is different than refuting the evidence in favor of it. — Joshs
A scientific theory can be absolutely correct in asserting that it conforms with all the available evidence , and still be less useful than an alternative theoretical orientation. — Joshs
Evidence is only intelligible relative to conceptual schemes
— Joshs
No it isn't — Garrett Travers
I don’t expect you to agree with me , but I would like for you to be able to tell me where I am getting this idea
from , Have you heard it before? — Joshs
Tell me what your theory is that opposes the above research, where you got it, and let's see if I can't go track down some stuff from my database that my give it some support. What do you say? — Garrett Travers
Ok, I really like the research on consciousness that emphasizes levels of awareness, indicating that consciousness is not all or nothing but an integrative
princess that ties together memory, emotion, perception and cognition in amazingly interactive way. Equally important, I think, is emphasizing the role of awareness in predicting and anticipating. events. — Joshs
That isn't to say it would matter as to what consciousness is if the brain did produce it. — theRiddler
What is consciousness? — theRiddler
How did you prove that your brain 8s an adequate tool for locating it in your brain? Circular logic, much? — theRiddler
It's all just vying for control, but we true lovers of wisdom ain't afraid of neuroscience. — theRiddler
Odd, innit? The brain does everything, neuroscience does the work to say what the brain is doing when it does everything, then, at the same time, one of the things the brain does, is be sufficient cause for some of us to say.....it makes not the least bit of difference to me, all else being equal, what the HELL my brain is doing. Sure, I got one, but I am never, as Everydayman, conscious of the one I got.
‘Nutha thing. Funny that the human in possession of the brain he investigates, came up with the parameters under which he proves how the brain he possesses works, but the brain never ever presents itself in accordance with the very parameters attributed to its functionality. So really, we didn’t find out how the brain works, but rather, the brain told us how it works.
And then makes it so we can ignore it.
Which is indeed an unequivocal triumph. Just....not of neuroscience. — Mww
Basically what the article concludes "a neural network of consciousness in which the paraventricular nucleus formally serves as the control nucleus of arousal, which is closely related to the maintenance of consciousness, and the neurons in the posterior cerebral cortex. It is related to the integration of feelings and the generation of consciousness content. Besides, the claustrum also represents the key channel of the consciousness loop and the transmission of control information." — Garrett Travers
No, that's not really been established yet. — Garrett Travers
But, fundamnetally, the wakeful attention that characterizes human cognition. — Garrett Travers
Global Workspace Theory, Quantum Theory, Integrated Information Theory — Garrett Travers
What can I say. My brain made me do it. — Mww
No you are your brain; you (the brain referred to as Mww) did it. :rofl:
What if the 'folk' models produced by the brain(s) are more adaptively fit than the speculative interpretation of neuroscience which says that we are nothing more than our brains? Should we discard them nonetheless and suffer accordingly? — Janus
You betcha. And not only that, but anywhere but right here, the-brain-referred-to-as-Mww......isn’t. — Mww
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