I mean an artificial vessel. The Bolzmann universe encompasses infinite regression, which solves nothing.. It was invented by Bolzmann in relation to entropy. If the whole universe could exist as a fluctuation then in that fluctuation a thermal equilibrium would evolve which could result in a fluctuation of a universe, etcetera. Brains just involve a process leading to them and any attempt to create them must involve the whole universe. — EugeneW

But the artificial vessel would replicate the function of the human head and body minus the brain. It would be 'brain ready.' I take it that you believe such a construct is impossible. I don't think it is, given enough time and relevant scientists.

Yeah, I found the Boltzmann grain posit interesting but unconvincing.

How does one know there is no god behind a lightning strike? Im not saying there is, but who says that's so? They could interact by an unknown physical mechanism.

How does one know there is no god behind a lightning strike? — EugeneW

You can go with the image of Thor holding a lightning bolt and deciding when he wants to throw them into our atmosphere or you can go with the scientists who explain such via electrical discharge due to natural meteorological effects. I choose the scientists as I am 99.999% absolutely convinced that gods don't exist. It would be such a simple task for it/them to prove me and all atheists wrong.
So why /doesn't it/don't they? Perhaps you or the pope or the archbishop of anywhere or the recent member of TPF and ardent theist, Joe Mello could ask it/them.

So why /doesn't it/don't they? Perhaps you or the pope or the archbishop of anywhere or the recent member of TPF and ardent theist, Joe Mello could ask it/them. — universeness

The universe itself is proof. Dunno why they don't show themselves. Maybe they do but we don't see.

The universe itself is proof. Dunno why they don't show themselves. Maybe they do but we don't see — EugeneW

For me, this is just not adequate proof.
I have never found 'operatic choral music' intimidating or theistically threatening.
Here's a much better one:

For me, this is just not adequate proof.
I have never found 'operatic choral music' intimidating or theistically threatening. — universeness

How would adequate proof look like? Gods litterally showing themselves? Not sure if operatic choral music is meant to threat or intimidate. You seem to identify religion with powerful gods threatening people. Why should they be like that? Maybe they created the universe accidentally. And just moved on after the accident, without caring for the ones involved in the accident.

How would adequate proof look like? — EugeneW

That's for the god(s) to decide, not my problem!

You seem to identify religion with powerful gods threatening people. — EugeneW

Not necessarily but the main religious doctrines do.

Maybe they created the universe accidentally. And just moved on after the accident, without caring for the ones involved in the accident. — EugeneW

Well, I would describe this as a deistic viewpoint.

God is a completely illogical posit to me for all of the reasons put forward by atheists. Too numerous to list here. Its only hope that I can see, is, as an emergent label for an emerging universal panpsychism.
But I only have the smallest attraction to the logic behind this. I hate to use this tired old adage but we will just have to agree to disagree.

If science has closed all gaps, what else can we conclude?

That's for the god(s) to decide, not my problem! — universeness

Then maybe a voice in our head is proof.

If science has closed all gaps, what else can we conclude? — EugeneW

But science has not closed all the gaps yet as unanswered questions remain.

Then maybe a voice in our head is proof. — EugeneW

I hear no voices in my head that I cannot identify.

Is last Thursdayism about time dilation as that the pace of time varies, or is it about lets say a God creating everything within a weeks time giving the impression that things have been around longer? Like the bible saying humans haven't existed longer than 3,000 years and yet there is evidence of human history alone for 10,000 years?

But science has not closed all the gaps yet as unanswered questions remain. — universeness

I think I have. I know what space and time are, their basic constituents, the forces between them, the nature of dark matter and dark energy, etc. What more is there to know?)

Is last Thursdayism about time dilation as that the pace of time varies, or is it about lets say a God creating everything within a weeks time giving the impression that things have been around longer? Like the bible saying humans haven't existed longer than 3,000 years and yet there is evidence of human history alone for 10,000 years? — TiredThinker

It's about God who created all 6000 years ago. Including all "fossil" memories. Who calls himself "God"...? Dumb name! "God! Dinner's ready!" I would change my name! In Fred maybe...

I'm curious about the video! What did you upload? I can't see it... :smile:

I think I have. I know what space and time are, their basic constituents, the forces between them, the nature of dark matter and dark energy, etc. What more is there to know?) — EugeneW

'I think I know,' is not enough. You need to convince at least a majority of others, otherwise, the question remains unanswered. Do you remember the DIMP guy and the Klein Bottle/Mobious strip guy, they have the same conviction as you and they report it with the same personal fervour. We both know there are also many others with similar convictions about their own hypothesis. You have yet to even publish a paper on your ideas and have it peer-reviewed.

I'm curious about the video! What did you upload? I can't see it.. — EugeneW

I am suprised you cant see it. I can, along with your own posted tune.

I posted an excellent version of Andrew Lloyd Webber's 'Jesus Christ Superstar,' by an artist called Laibach. I really like the words of that song. It's an old recording but I like Laibach's very deep voice and dramatic arrangement. Use the song title and the name Laibach on a youtube search and you will find it.

Im working on it, but usually you get banned for these ideas because they go against the status quo and threaten the standard (model). I have experienced this on many forums of physics. But people don't even wanna think about it or criticize it constructively. Even just stating quarks and leptons are composite gives frowns only. There was one guy on a physics site with whom I had a good chat, but in the end he stated (quite irrationally) that they are just fundamental. He mentioned the mass paradox but that holds for massive preons only. And when reason fails, the irrational surfaces. There are only things to be gained with this theory. It only explains. Quark and lepton mass, mass generation, matter/antimatter asymmetry (there isn't one, and this confuses people because it seems so obvious, and in a sense there is), it explains the weak force, etcetera. Somehow people, peers or not, just wanna stay blind to it. Only irrational reactions. You think it gets peer reviewed? No way. Well I got a mathematical model now for a particle. I asked on a math forum, and as everything it's quite simple when you know it. The quantum gravity problem is solved by letting the virtual graviton field interact with space (so the virtual condensate is not one in flat space, and there is no foam on the smallest scales). I have an idea though for the quark or lepton masses to calculate. It's similar to calculating proton mass from quarks interacting. But quarks replaced by preons. The DIMP theory is easily and rationally debunked. I haven't seen one rational argument though against mine. Only underbelly reactions.

JC Superstar! Where he walks almost naked through the streets? Great song!

Well, enjoy the struggle against those who hold the current cosmological high ground.
It's been done before. I think there are enough influential cosmologists who are open-minded.
You should summarise your ideas and send a copy to all of them, you have little to lose.
Neil Degrasse Tyson's career started when he sent a letter, as an undergrad, to Carl Sagan.
Tyson was amazed when Sagan invited him to meet him and talk about his interest in physics and cosmology. One of the many many reasons that I hold Carl Sagan in very high esteem.

Every time I look at you I don't understand
Why you let the things you did get so out of hand.
You'd have managed better if you'd had it planned.
Why'd you choose such a backward time in such a strange land?
If you'd come today you could have reached a whole nation.
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication. ( I don't get this line, it makes no contextual sense!)
Don't you get me wrong.
I only want to know.

CHOIR

Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ,
Who are you? What have you sacrificed?
Jesus Christ Superstar,
Do you think you're what they say you are?

VOICE OF JUDAS

Tell me what you think about your friends at the top.
Who'd you think besides yourself's the pick of the crop?
Buddha, was he where it's at? Is he where you are?
Could Mohammed move a mountain, or was that just PR?
Did you mean to die like that? Was that a mistake, or
Did you know your messy death would be a record breaker?
Don't you get me wrong.
I only want to know.

CHOIR

Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ,
Who are you? What have you sacrificed?
Jesus Christ Superstar,
Do you think you're what they say you are?
(Repeat many times)

I have send stuff to Tamara Davis. She seemed open minded. No reply. Ive send stuff to Verlinde. No reply. Hope they don't run with my idea! No, I wouldn't care. But why they don't reply? On forums you get banned or no rational or constructive arguments are given. Even a "beyond the standard model" rejects a model and deletes the contribution. Is one afraid of preons? I had a short email conversation with Harari and he said he didn't know it to be a good idea to consider preons massless.

Jesus just had a Jesus complex!

Why did they create a world with so much pain? I really don't know.

I have send stuff to Tamara Davis. She seemed open minded. No reply. Ive send stuff to Verlinde. No reply. Hope they don't run with my idea! No, I wouldn't care. But why they don't reply? — EugeneW

There can be many reasons, some fair reasons and some not-so-nice reasons. Maybe just too busy.
I would send to 'all of them' and I would pester until they responded, even to just get me off their back.
Sometimes you have to be stubborn in your determination to gain an adequate response.
It is of course vital to always stay within the law.

Jesus just had a Jesus complex!
Why did they create a world with so much pain? I really don't know — EugeneW

Non-existence is their one and only defense!

I would send to 'all of them' and I would pester until they responded, even to just get me off their back.
Sometimes you have to be stubborn in your determination to gain an adequate response.
It is of course vital to always stay within the law. — universeness

Yeah, sounds like a good idea! The net is ideal for that. How did they do that 150 years ago? 50 years ago even. Took a lot longer. Knowledge is growing exponentially because of that and new ideas prosper... when considered. Maybe it's best to be just satisfied with what I know, but people wanna share. I have the story written in prose almost, with as little math as possible. Somehow math seems to turn people off.

Non-existence is their one and only defense! — universeness

They're just laughing at us!

Maybe it's best to be just satisfied with what I know, but people wanna share. I have the story written in prose almost, with as little math as possible. Somehow math seems to turn people off. — EugeneW

Sean Carroll seems a 'good guy' he also currently has a youtube podcast where he answeres all submitted questions. The last one I listened to was 3hours long. You might get a response from him.

I was just listening to him! In his interview with Rovelli! About the quantum nature of spacetime. I can relate to Rovelli. An iconoclast. I think I should send something to him too. I dont agree with him though. What causes space curvature? Einstein doesn't have an answer, nor Rovelli.

Im gonna ask questions on Carroll's podcast! Ill let you know the answers.

I was just listening to him! In his interview with Rovelli! About the quantum nature of spacetime. I can relate to Rovelli. An iconoclast. I think I should send something to him too. I dont agree with him though. What causes space curvature? Einstein doesn't have an answer, nor Rovelli — EugeneW

Good stuff, I really enjoy the cosmology offerings on youtube

Im gonna ask questions on Carroll's podcast! Ill let you know the answers — EugeneW

I hope he treats you well and by doing so he will give the rest of us confidence that cosmologists such as him are not members of an aloof, exclusive group who are unapproachable by the majority of us.

I hope he treats you well and by doing so he will give the rest of us confidence that cosmologists such as him are not members of an aloof, exclusive group who are unapproachable by the majority of us. — universeness

That's exactly the problem of a lot of them. They think they possess a special kind of knowledge knowable to an elite group only and they try everything to keep up that image. They owe their money, power, reputation, etc. to it. Everything threatening it... Bang! I can imagine how Galilei felt back then. He had no proof either. Exactly what is told to me 1001 times. Every arguments is used... No proof doesn't mean a thing though. For Galilei it didn't.