our mortality is a punishment from God for Adam's & Eve's disobedience — Agent Smith
(3:22)And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
(4:6-7)Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
mortality is both a blessing and a curse. — Fooloso4
The rest of your post: Muddled — Agent Smith
It bears mentioning though that I've heard of judicial sentences of even 300 years (multiple life sentences), an attempt, in my humble opinion, to highlight the severity of an offense. — Agent Smith
1. Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy et all (serial killers) were all sentenced to death and they were all evil. — Agent Smith
An argument from analogy for original sin:
1. Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy et all (serial killers) were all sentenced to death and they were all evil.
2. Every one of us is sentenced to death (we're mortal)
Ergo,
3. Every one of us is evil.
4. This evil we're all guilty of is called original sin in Christianity. — Agent Smith
Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy et all (serial killers) were all sentenced to death and they were all evil. — Agent Smith
The intuition of original sin is then sound, oui? After all, we put people who're really bad to death and so if we too die, irrespective of how good/bad we are, we must be guilty of some evil, an evil so horrific that death is the only redress; this evil, in Christianity, is termed original sin. — Agent Smith
First, it should be noted that this is not a Christian story. Original sin is an interpretation that originated long after the story had been told and interpreted for generation after generation. — Fooloso4
As with many things in the Genesis stories, mortality is both a blessing and a curse. There is a difference between being sentenced to death and being prevented from becoming immortal. God makes it clear why he prevented them from eating of the tree of life and living forever — Fooloso4
The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
I take it you do not see a distinction between being sentenced to death and being prevented from living forever. — Fooloso4
God does not want man to become gods. — Fooloso4
We are not born evil. We can rule over sin. — Fooloso4
It's merely the result of being convicted of more than one crime, for each of which a sentence is imposed. So, you sometimes hear of sentences being served concurrently, and sometimes you hear of them being served consecutively. Consecutive sentences can add up to any number of years, and sometimes have no practical effect — Ciceronianus
It doesn't establish that those sentenced to death are all evil, or that those who are evil are all sentenced to death. — Ciceronianus
Christians will call this a transgression to God (See Luther's Smallcald Articles). The evil here is qualified in this way.
Also, this is affirming the consequent, a fallacy in logic. You are saying we are all sentenced to death BECAUSE we are evil: if you are evil you will be sentenced to death, we are sentenced to death; therefore we are evil. Is this your thinking? — Constance
They were sentenced to immortality prior to being sentenced to death — InvoluntaryDecorum
Yep, seems sound to me. There's no need to invoke Christianity, however. One can arrive at the conclusion by reason alone, as I have done. — Bartricks
And pray tell, friend, what was the deed that is regarded as original sin? — Garrett Travers
Sure, why not? — Garrett Travers
It was a movie reference. You'll need to watch the movie to get it. A minor point (only) I thought, but if you really look at, quite significant. God seems certain we'll never suss out ethics and He's using that against us - how can we enter heaven when the condition is that we have to be good, the very thing we seem to be in total darkness about/on? God's a very shrewd bloke, devilishly clever. En garde, peeps! — Agent Smith
The two are equivalent. In both cases the persons in question die, oui? — Agent Smith
“You will not die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
(2:17)"... for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.”
Like the tower of Babel story shows, God doesn't want us anywhere near Him and that includes paradise. — Agent Smith
(Genesis 11:6)And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
How do you know we're not born evil? — Agent Smith
we put people who're really bad to death and so if we too die, irrespective of how good/bad we are, we must be guilty of some evil, an evil so horrific that death is the only redress; — Agent Smith
But human mortality came before moralized capital punishment. you just assume that our judgment of serial killers as evil is somehow a necessary law of the universe. — SatmBopd
I write letters to the person I romantically love.
If you also receive letters, I must also romantically love you. — SatmBopd
No. — SatmBopd
Why did the serpent want Eve to know about the good also? — EugeneW
Why not make her, and her descendants, pure evil? — EugeneW
Why is the good good? — EugeneW
I do not see the merit to limiting myself to only Judeo-Christian Theology, — SatmBopd
Why not make her, and her descendants, pure evil? — EugeneW
I have a theory: Morality is, I believe, an unsolvable puzzle and God knows, very well, that humans will never get to the bottom of what good and evil are. Hence, he puts down one condition for citizenship in his kingdom of heaven: be moral, avoid immorality. — Agent Smith
For me this kind of thinking is an unnecessary complication. I've often thought morality is fairly simple. Morality is created by humans to facilitate social cooperation in order to achieve our preferred forms of social order. This is why morality varies across times and cultures - there are variations in what order looks like. — Tom Storm
I have no interest in what a god's silly plans and egomaniacal thinking might be. The taboos around 'good' and 'evil' are simply ways to control people's behaviour by appealing to some kind of transcendent foundation which can't be argued with or even understood. Good and evil are poetic terms which have no specific meaning and are generally applied according to an individual's or a culture's value system. — Tom Storm
The ability to create oneself out of nothing — charles ferraro
Perhaps, death provides one with another opportunity to choose correctly. — charles ferraro
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